Old dog vs new pup

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    bucketboy
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    I had a few hours to spare and the sun was shining (no it wasn’t this is the uk but at least it wasn’t raining) so I decided to go to my local range and do a head to head with my oldest (23+ years) and favourite, heavily modified rapid 12/200 and my newest bullpup the fx impact in .177.

    when I arrived I had the entire range to myself 


     

    so which of the 30 lanes should I choose? Well the wind as blowing at 11mph from my 4 o’clock, but it was steady in both speed and direction ( note the wind sock) so I thought about giving the 100mts range a go. Now if it was perfect conditions I would have had a go at some paper targets but giving the wind I opted for more realistic targets. These were steel spinners from 40mm down to 15mm, and if they were too easy I placed some small pieces of chalk  on top of a brick. Now 100mts it a long way for a sub12fpe airgun to lob a pellet, given the conditions his was not going to be easy.

    First up was my trusty old rapid, this is my most consistently accurate gun although my .177 has printed my tightest 5 shot group at  100mts that being 15mm CtC. So the new pup is going to have its work cut out beating the old dog.


     

    it took about a dozen shots to zero the gun but after that the rapid was hitting spinners with a regularity. After 40 or so shots on the spinners my attention was drawn to the little pieces of chalk, Let me tell you, at 100mts they look mighty small even with the scope set at its max of 16x The first 3 shots saw 3 colourful puffs as the chalk exploded into dust. The next ten or so had turned the rest into small fragments that lay scattered on the sand. Even these were no match for the rapid as over the next few mags these were hit and vaporised to nothing.

     

    So next up is the FX impact.


     

    The smaller lighter.177 pellets fly faster and flatter, it took less shots to zero the gun and it was nailing the 40mm spinner with ease, the success rate started to fall as I had a go at the smaller spinners, the wind was blowing the little pellets around. I had a go at the chalk but success was limited only hitting one or maybe twice.

     

    So the winner today was the old dog, not just because it out shot the impact but because it makes me smile every time I pull the trigger, I love this gun.  
     

    Make no mistake, my impact is a seriously accurate gun, but today it was always going to struggle, not just because of the wind but because it is new and unfamiliar to me, however i have had the rapid so long and shot so many thousands of pellets through it, it like a pair of old comfy slipper,

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    L.Leon
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    I’m consistently amazed with what you guys over the pond can do with 12 FPE PCPs. Which is why I’m totally satisfied with my 32 FPE PCP.

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    cea1960
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    L.Leon

    I’m consistently amazed with what you guys over the pond can do with 12 FPE PCPs. Which is why I’m totally satisfied with my 32 FPE PCP.

                           ^ what he said ^

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    bucketboy
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    L.Leon

    I’m consistently amazed with what you guys over the pond can do with 12 FPE PCPs. Which is why I’m totally satisfied with my 32 FPE PCP.

    Thanks, 

    I don’t suggest you set your guns at 12pfe but you really ought to try backing the speed down to between 800-850fps, give it a go,  I think a lot of shooters will be shocked by the accuracy their gun can achieve.

    Obviously power does have an advantage at extreme ranges, bucking the wind (although by not as much as you may think) and is useful for hunting but for paper or tin, speed is often detrimental (due to the design of the pellet). Also, backing the gun off makes it quieter, more air efficient and more gentle to shoot. I often shoot one of my guns that I set a 9fte, pull the trigger and you don’t even know the gun has gone off until you see the hole in the bullseye.

    In perfect conditions, all but one of my sub 12fpe guns are capable of sub moa groups at 100 yards and all can do better than that at 50yards.

     

    There is a round mint sweet with a hole, here in the UK called a polo, stick one of these to a target at 25yards and see if you can get your 32fpe pellet through the middle without breaking it?  With a sub 12fpe, it’s how many times in succession can you get your pellet through without breaking it.

    Bb

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    davelarson
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    Bucketboy, thanks for the great post. My favorite rifle is my Theoben .20 by far, it’s shooting the JSB light pellet incredibly well. I’m shooting at about 860 FPS using the light pellet and the gun is a laser. I tried the new JSB heavy pellet and I got occasional flyers. I was told that they need more speed to stabilize. No way I will change anything with the the Theoben. The Polo challenge is daunting!

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    shambozzie
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    @bucketboy +1 on the old school accuracy. My az rapid mk ll .20 cal. Yep, on the sub 12 fpe bandwagon also. 

    @davelarson Dave, Allen love the new jsb exact heavys .20 cal around 900. Tommy.

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    Thank you for your posting this. Like L.Leon, I am always intrigued and impressed with the accuracy and efficiency that you British achieve with sub 12 FPE air rifles. Due to unfortunate necessity you have to become better rifleman in many ways. I always enjoyed watching Vermin Hunters TV, and others like them, on YouTube because of this very thing. 

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    bucketboy
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    TiredRooster

    Thank you for your posting this. Like L.Leon, I am always intrigued and impressed with the accuracy and efficiency that you British achieve with sub 12 FPE air rifles. Due to unfortunate necessity you have to become better rifleman in many ways. I always enjoyed watching Vermin Hunters TV, and others like them, on YouTube because of this very thing. 

    Thank, but I am no rifleman, I am just lucky enough to own some accurate airguns. I have had in the past some fac airguns and I may have in the future but power has never made my guns more accurate although in some cases it has made them easier to be accurate with.

    Yes, vermin hunter does do some good videos, another shooter I recommend is, notts pest control NPC, (he is a member on here) well with a watch if you haven’t already seen them, to me, this is what responsible airgun hunting is all about.

    Bb

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