NP2 accuracy problems

There are accurate springers to be had as well as pcps … but your idea of what is reasonably priced may not be what my idea of a reasonable price is. Can you give us a hint at how much you would be willing to part with for a accurate .22 gun.

BTW … my experience with the NP2 is pretty much the same as yours … a p.o.s

Buy a 22 Benjamin Discovery or Maximus Hunter and a hand pump and a TKO LDC.

You can get all of these items for under $300 new if you shop smart or look for a used

one that is already broken in and the seller can tell you what pellet works best.

It will consistently outshoot any 22 spring gun at 50 yards and beyond and be really quiet too.

All it will need is the trigger mod which will cost you next to nothing to do with lots of online info.


CA

My comment and recommendations are based on my first hand experience and satisfaction noting their accuracy, affordability and reliability.

I have a Diana 54 in 22 which would match the accuracy and once in a while beat them but not always and it is LOUD! and EXPENSIVE in comparison so if quietness is of concern to you then it is not for you. Reminds me of almost shooting a 10/22 with a lower pitch but LOUD.

I specifically state the Benjamin Discovery and Maximus HUNTER because they only require up to 2000 psi to fill which is relatively easy using a hand pump as compared to other guns which fill to 3000 psi. You will feel the burn after 2000 psi when pumping to 3000 psi for other guns so I did not recommend them.

You can even tune it down which is very user friendly adjustablility and fill/pump only to 1700-1800 psi to start and refill after 20 shots.

You won't find any springer with reasonable power in 22 caliber that will beat the quietness of a 22 Disco or Maxi Hunter with a TKO on it.

The air cylinder is relatively small thus uses less strokes on top of the low up to 2000 psi fill pressure. It is not regulated but doesn't need

to be since you state you will hunt with it. That is one less thing to go wrong with a PCP.

If you want to spend more $$$ (say $75 to $150 more than the TKO) to get it near silent shooting then you would need to buy a DonnyFl or Huggett (full sized) but really IMHO the TKO is more than adequate to silence these types of guns.


CA

The only gas ram I can recommend to buy which is relatively quiet if it has the Evolution Vortex silencer is the Theoben Evolution if you want to realiably hit what you aim at that is if you can find one now days. You have to let some gas out first and shoot at a slightly lower power level which makes it very easy to shoot accurately with and lessen the cocking effort. Expect to pay $700 to $1000 for one.

There are the cheaper HW Theoben Beeman imported RX HW series which are harder to shoot accurately and are LOUD! IMO which I would not recommend unless you are naturally a good shot.

The only springer I could recommend in your situation based on 22 caliber and noise concern based on ease to shoot accurately is the HW97 but will cost more than the $300 PCP set up including pump and LDC I mentioned. It will also have significantly less power with a more pronounced drop past 40 yards. The Benjamin PCPs I recommended will outshoot it past 45 yards and will give you the ability to hunt out to 85 yards once you shoot it enough to reliably hold over consistently enough and practice enough to get one inch groups at that distance.

i can get nickel size groups at 60 yards with one and dime size with the other and I would think even if you are a bad shot you should get at least an inch at 60 yards shooting prone or from a rest.

I had been tempted to buy a QB Beeman Chief being cheaper but didn't based on online accuracy reviews being sub par.



CA

My NP2 gun ate scopes like popcorn, until I got a magnum springer rated scope. I still have the scope 5 years after the NP2 destroyed itself by shearing off bolts. The stock scope is not worthy of any attempt to use seriously.

That said, the Maximus in single shot or the new Fortitude are both easy to pump, light weight and deadly accurate. The Fortitude has a 10 shot magazine and already has an "LDC" - silencer, moderator, muffler, Lead Dust Collector.

I'm a little late to this discussion but have a Walther LGV .22 that's about 13 ft/lb from the factory and QUITE easy to shoot accurately. It's a great rifle. I also have an NP Trail that is similar to your experience. Not sure if it is capable of real accuracy. 

Just wanted to remind also that Crosman gives a 25% discount and has free shipping on Fridays. The Marauder is a great rifle, too, if you choose to go that way.

Bob 

 .. i have lots of experience with these np2 guns..... one thing for certain - just call crosman. i was an authorized service center for them , if you want to mention rane air (it's up to you). they are the kings of customer service in the airgun industry. --- now --- first , i found that parts for these are very cheap. the np2 barrels are good american quality and accurate - i just had a .22 one lathed down to 7/16" od so that it would fit into 2400kt or 1300kt breech block (and it awesome) , and the threads are the 1/2x20 type and easily accommodates good sound devices. the gas struts are cheap , breech seals, and piston seals also. if you ever get one apart , you will begin to believe the story of them spending one million upon research and development. they are very well made. --- that being said --- second , i found that the wood and plastic thumbhole stocks did not work for me , and the 'lawyer triggers were not for me , either. i personally found that the steel eagle / golden eagle / black lightning stocks were much better. i found a guy selling cbt trigger tune kits for 15 bucks on ebay. lastly , i replaced those crappy plastic barrel shims or washers they use with bronze bearings from the true value hardware store - they are essentially high grade pressure treated washers. you can use brass or stainless steel , but take your plastic ones to the hardware store and match the inner and outer dia as best as you can. (be sure to loosen the tiny grub screw that locks the large barrel pivot screw in place and keeps it tightly against the shims or plastic crap washers .. you can do all of this without a spring compressor , but if you ever decide to get inside the gun a spring compressor must be used. i use mine for hunting. it is quiet and reliable while at the same time i have no worries about light rain and mud and texas briar patches ruining some fancy-schmancy expensive air rifle . mine does a near consistent 795 fps. i recently had a lothar walther 5mm (.20 cal) barrel fitted onto a np2 barrel assembly and now it is MUCH more accurate. it was one of anthony story's pile of unused benjamin sterling barrels and was almost a perfect fit into the breech block (where i ended up with that lathed down 22xx barrel above. there were no reviews when np2 debuted - so i posted a lot on my youtube channel ' rane air' . i even used a sun optics spring compressor in one of those vids when you can see the parts inside. these things get anywhere from 750-820 fps with .22 crosman pellets which is the gas ram's fault (maybe they are cheaply made) . --- all in all --- they are inexpensive breakbarrels that are 'dogs that will hunt' and i consider 20+ ftlbs with lead as making a good hunting airgun. they need a little work to be more comparable to euro springers -- and it's the best breakbarrel that we in the us make and assemble and sell. contact me if you need help via a private message. hope that helps. - rane on ..

.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHuPd75NIEQSAo4M8Bv6rAw/videos ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s0SsqCw6ks

The marauder, or Mrod is a helluva gun. Too long and heavy for my uses. Can be upgraded to the Nth degree. Accurate and quiet. ,3000 psi for full fill. Lots of pumping. Great guns for rested shooting, not so much for long walks.

Once you go PCP you will not want to go back to springer or NP guns PERIOD. Shooting PCPs are so easy and effortless you don't need to try as hard to hit your target and virtually no recoil or movement of the gun when shot.

If your goal is to shoot targets or hunt with precision accuracy at long distances and your budget is up for it then I would go for the Benjamin Marauder Field and Target with Lothar Walther barrel only available to order through the Crosman custom shop from Crosman direct.

I had replaced the barrel on my 22 Marauder with a Lothar Walther because I wasn't happy with out of the box accuracy with its factory Crosman barrel. My 22 Discovery which cost less than half the price shot way more accurately than my 22 Marauder.

My factory Marauder had a hard time keeping all shots inside a 2 inch circle at 50 yards no matter what pellets I tried. After the Lothar Walther barrel upgrade, all shots are inside half an inch using a variety of different pellets.

My factory 22 Discovery got just under 3/4 inches at 50-60 the size of a nickel. Upgraded it with a multi shot breech with bull barrel shroud to keep things quiet and modded the trigger. When all is said and done, it cost more than the Fortitude but mine has more power because it doesn't have a regulator and most importantly, easier to cock. It also has a lot less shots but I can live with that since I don't want to sacrifice the power for more shots for my use and just refill after 20-25 shots.

I am tempted to buy a Fortitude but it wouldn't be in 22 because of the low power level and I want to shoot at long distances and I think my Discovery will out shoot it. The Maximus is a lighter and cheaper version of the Discovery but if I had to do it over again, I would pick the Maximus Hunter instead of a Discovery because of the longer threaded barrel for more power potential and lighter plastic stock for hunting.


CA

Heya Arzrover! I got a 177 LGV Competition Ultra and it is fun to shoot and I agree with everything you said about it.

It is smooth and QUIET and easy to shoot accurately. If they only had the HW Rekord trigger on them...

That is, once in a great moon when I do have the mood to shoot it because I am already spoiled with PCPs.

Gosh for that price, I could have gotten a Marauder Field and Target with Lothar Walther barrel...

It would be an excellent backup gun if I ever run out of air.

I was tempted to buy a Benj NP Pistol because it was cheap to keep in the pickup but then I realized that I would be

SO FRUSTRATED not being to hit a darn thing with it.


CA

You may have gotten a bad rifle. It happens. I've had mine for 3 years and its never let me down. I've taken rabbits, squirrels, opossums, and raccoons. It's one of my favorite rifles and it's completely stock. Some day I'll replace the trigger group and it should be even better. You don't have to spend a fortune to enjoy this hobby, you just have to find the gun that fits your needs best.

....and then find another airgun to some different needs.........and then a different type of airgun....and a different caliber..... i STILL dunno if i could have just one air rifle...... i guess a decent break barrel - in .177 or even .20 (would be best, but getting too hard for 5mm to survive).....i'd choose something that isnt heavy.... and then there is my old-school benji disco. in .22 now..... i hunt with it most..... pcp's are like cheating , tho. lightweight, very powerful, no recoil, lots of quick shots......my disco has left a wake of death that's hard to believe. if i ever found a .20 cal diana 34 , or if i can buy another .20 r9 with vortek kit - i MIGHT could only have one. ........but like i said when i explained all i did for/to my np2 - just call crosman , ask if you can get some credit toward a pcp....i'd gopher a .25 mrod, myself, but that does a lot of damage - to targets, to wallets (and all the extra-curicular bs like tanks hoses pumps)......gotta have noise device with pcp's , too.... but it's like cheating.

If/when you pick out a new rifle remember to use the airgun nation coupon code. Also if buying a hand pump many of the newer to market chinese hand pumps in the sub $100 range are as good or better than pumps costing 2-3x as much.

Where is you nearest airgunner? Handleing what others have would likely help you deride ( and or fix your NP ) your nest rig.





John

... i hadnt thought about that , spy sir . that would be some good medicine for you to find out what you want - try other folks' airguns. i recall one fella coming out to shoot while i was already out in the back 9. it was a .25 mrod i had resealed for someone and i was testing it....he was interested in getting one......i think that was the day i decided i wanted one. i always dismissed it due to the lower shot count. ....but the new ones (generation 2 or whatever) are cool. i see 858 fps alot over my old beat up, shot, hand me down , chrono with those benjamin .25 domed (premiers) pellet....and those green mountain barrels are as beautifully made as a .25 lothar walther , only they are nicely blued when i get them from crosman. they have a recessed crown and are choked for about the last 2 inches of muzzle - just like l.walther barrels.... i put one of those barrels onto p-rod carbine rig, and it was great ! around 715 with ftt's for about 16 shots filled to 2200 - lots of fun ! -- that guy shore did a lot pumping that day with that mrod...more than i have done in latter years....wonder if he got a pcp ?