Now I know why my pellets seem to just "bounce off" my intended target...

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davecole

davecole

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OK, in my spare time when I'm not reading your "interesting" questions posted on the airgun forums, I chat for Pyramyd Air. I have had some reeeeeal interesting question and comments over the last seven years. Today, I was assisting a customer ( I hope it wasn't any of you LOL) and the nature of his chat was centered around hunting small game with a .22 break barrel and the fear of the pellet not penetrating his game. 

This is a excerpt from the chat. 



Visitor

Pressurised cans at 25 yards with a .22 cal 21grain pellet and they rip right through them? But a plastic whiskey bottle filled with water and they bounce right off.

04:56:08

Dave C.

just thinking of the physics of it. the pressurized can being thin metal can tear easier than the plastic which is probably designed to not break, tear or leak if dropped.

Visitor

Yes these bottles can usually take a drop without breaking, but if that is the case, wouldnt it be risky to try and take out smallgame at 25 yards with a break barrel then?

05:00:09

Dave C.

not at 25 yards unless the small game is wearing a jacket made from the same material as the plastic whiskey bottle

05:00:44

Visitor

Lol. Awesome answer!




 
Hummm....then this would pose a problem...........





Anywhoo......I personally had issues with a couple West Virginia squirrels. On was using .20 cal Diana Super hollow Points from my R9........



There was a squirrel on a bird feeder over my deck and I did a "rib shot" at only 15 yards using that pellet. With the hit the squirrel jumped to the tree trunk from the bird feeder and took off through the woods. A couple weeks later I shot "another" squirrel from the same feeder using a .177 CPL and the squirrel dropped to the deck. I would dress the squirrels for the frying pan back then and noticed something strange at the ribs when the squirrel was skinned. The "something strange" was a deformed Diana Super Hollow Point that was trapped between the hide and one busted rib! 😠

On another occasion in WV I shot a squirrel on my bird feeder with my .177 HW35 and a 7.9 grain Beeman Trophy pellet. I hit the squirrel in the neck and all it did was to jump to the tree from the feeder and disappear into the woods. A couple months later I was patrolling my bird feeders with the HW35 and nailed "another" squirrel with a dome between the eye and ear. When skinning the squirrel I noticed something strange in the squirrels neck! It was a .177 Beeman Trophy pellet that penetrated far enough for the hide to close in on the waist of the pellet with the skirt sticking out. LOL....kinda looked like one of Frankenstein's "neck electrodes". It was at that time that I realized the 20 year old HW35 factory spring had sagged (it didn't break) to the point that a 7.9 grain dome would penetrate the brain since the hide was backed up by the skull, however the looser hide at the side of the neck "stopped the pellet short". 

After those episodes I bought a blemished .177 Beeman R10 and thought that the R10 was as good as the HW35 was bad.
 
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Hey Dave … I too was concerned with something like that happening, but I figured that if I put a bayonet on the end of my rifle it might help. Sure enough, last week I shot one and the pellet only bumped him on the head, knocking him to the ground … as I approached him, he quickly started waving a white flag and I marched him back toward the house, but upon seeing the little squirrel tears come to his eyes and thinking that he may have a family back in a tree watching what was happening to their beloved father, I decided that discretion was the better part of valor and released my prisoner. I gave him a stern warning that the next time I saw him in my neck of the woods that I would not be so tender hearted and he quickly turned and ran about 10 yards away from me giving me a big smile and a "thumbs up" and then … and then … and then he "mooned me", shot me "the bird" and pooped on the white flag. I began chasing him with my bayonet and every time he zigged, I zagged and almost got him a couple of times but then I had him cornered with his back to a tree and I lunged forward, but he jumped out of the way and I ended up getting my bayonet stuck in the tree. The squirrel starts laughing at me and then every creature of every size came out of the woods and they were all laughing at me making fun of my useless pellet gun and my bayonet stuck in the tree. At that moment I wished that I had been like Rambo with a M-60 machine gun and 5,000 rounds of ammo just letting the gun rip on full auto and screaming a blood curdling scream while puffing my 69 year old chest out. Yes, that squirrel had used me, abused me and made me feel cheap while embarrassing me in front of every creature both big and small in the woods. 

That's alright, not to worry, I'll be fine … I will have the last laugh. I'm gonna buy me 3 claymores, some det cord, blasting caps, a spoon and battery. I'll daisy chain the claymores together, run a trip wire from it attached to a spoon and battery. I'm not a man to be trifled with!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love, Live and Laugh
 
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Hummm....then this would pose a problem...........





Anywhoo......I personally had issues with a couple West Virginia squirrels. On was using .20 cal Diana Super hollow Points from my R9........



There was a squirrel on a bird feeder over my deck and I did a "rib shot" at only 15 yards using that pellet. With the hit the squirrel jumped to the tree trunk from the bird feeder and took off through the woods. A couple weeks later I shot "another" squirrel from the same feeder using a .177 CPL and the squirrel dropped to the deck. I would dress the squirrels for the frying pan back then and noticed something strange at the ribs when the squirrel was skinned. The "something strange" was a deformed Diana Super Hollow Point that was trapped between the hide and one busted rib! 😠

On another occasion in WV I shot a squirrel on my bird feeder with my .177 HW35 and a 7.9 grain Beeman Trophy pellet. I hit the squirrel in the neck and all it did was to jump to the tree from the feeder and disappear into the woods. A couple months later I was patrolling my bird feeders with the HW35 and nailed "another" squirrel with a dome between the eye and ear. When skinning the squirrel I noticed something strange in the squirrels neck! It was a .177 Beeman Trophy pellet that penetrated far enough for the hide to close in on the waist of the pellet with the skirt sticking out. LOL....kinda looked like one of Frankenstein's "neck electrodes". It was at that time that I realized the 20 year old HW35 factory spring had sagged (it didn't break) to the point that a 7.9 grain dome would penetrate the brain since the hide was backed up by the skull, however the looser hide at the side of the neck "stopped the pellet short". 

After those episodes I bought a blemished .177 Beeman R10 and thought that the R10 was as good as the HW35 was bad.
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LOL, Ed! Great picture!
 
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Hey Dave … I too was concerned with something like that happening, but I figured that if I put a bayonet on the end of my rifle it might help. Sure enough, last week I shot one and the pellet only bumped him on the head, knocking him to the ground … as I approached him, he quickly started waving a white flag and I marched him back toward the house, but upon seeing the little squirrel tears come to his eyes and thinking that he may have a family back in a tree watching what was happening to their beloved father, I decided that discretion was the better part of valor and released my prisoner. I gave him a stern warning that the next time I saw him in my neck of the woods that I would not be so tender hearted and he quickly turned and ran about 10 yards away from me giving me a big smile and a "thumbs up" and then … and then … and then he "mooned me", shot me "the bird" and pooped on the white flag. I began chasing him with my bayonet and every time he zigged, I zagged and almost got him a couple of times but then I had him cornered with his back to a tree and I lunged forward, but he jumped out of the way and I ended up getting my bayonet stuck in the tree. The squirrel starts laughing at me and then every creature of every size came out of the woods and they were all laughing at me making fun of my useless pellet gun and my bayonet stuck in the tree. At that moment I wished that I had been like Rambo with a M-60 machine gun and 5,000 rounds of ammo just letting the gun rip on full auto and screaming a blood curdling scream while puffing my 69 year old chest out. Yes, that squirrel had used me, abused me and made me feel cheap while embarrassing me in front of every creature both big and small in the woods. 

That's alright, not to worry, I'll be fine … I will have the last laugh. I'm gonna buy me 3 claymores, some det cord, blasting caps, a spoon and battery. I'll daisy chain the claymores together, run a trip wire from it attached to a spoon and battery. I'm not a man to be trifled with!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love, Live and Laugh
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Nice, just abut had me a believer 😂 🤣..Good imagination.
 
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Hummm....then this would pose a problem...........





Anywhoo......I personally had issues with a couple West Virginia squirrels. On was using .20 cal Diana Super hollow Points from my R9........



There was a squirrel on a bird feeder over my deck and I did a "rib shot" at only 15 yards using that pellet. With the hit the squirrel jumped to the tree trunk from the bird feeder and took off through the woods. A couple weeks later I shot "another" squirrel from the same feeder using a .177 CPL and the squirrel dropped to the deck. I would dress the squirrels for the frying pan back then and noticed something strange at the ribs when the squirrel was skinned. The "something strange" was a deformed Diana Super Hollow Point that was trapped between the hide and one busted rib! 😠

On another occasion in WV I shot a squirrel on my bird feeder with my .177 HW35 and a 7.9 grain Beeman Trophy pellet. I hit the squirrel in the neck and all it did was to jump to the tree from the feeder and disappear into the woods. A couple months later I was patrolling my bird feeders with the HW35 and nailed "another" squirrel with a dome between the eye and ear. When skinning the squirrel I noticed something strange in the squirrels neck! It was a .177 Beeman Trophy pellet that penetrated far enough for the hide to close in on the waist of the pellet with the skirt sticking out. LOL....kinda looked like one of Frankenstein's "neck electrodes". It was at that time that I realized the 20 year old HW35 factory spring had sagged (it didn't break) to the point that a 7.9 grain dome would penetrate the brain since the hide was backed up by the skull, however the looser hide at the side of the neck "stopped the pellet short". 

After those episodes I bought a blemished .177 Beeman R10 and thought that the R10 was as good as the HW35 was bad.
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Not a problem! Just put one through his beady little eyes done deal!

Great Picture!!!!
 
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Agree that at close ranges velocity is more important than weight of projectile. Also would be very curious if the seals were bad in the gun and it had lost a lot of power. The pressurized can wouldn’t even need to be penetrated just hit hard enough to open up under it’s own pressure. But I would think anything at 500 FPS or above could still penetrate the plastic from my experience.
 
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