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    bf1956
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    Ladies & gentlemen with 6k Nitrogen tank how & where do you store ? TIA

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    bubblerboy64
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    Under my bed?   LOL  I have mine in the garage with a safety chain around it.   I have a picture of the cart  I made to move it around.  If you have questions PM me 

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    Revoman
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    Yeah, you don't want to store it without strapping it to something substantial.  If it falls over and breaks the valve stem off, it will act like a torpedo and ram anything in it's path, usually spinning around, with some force.  Not to be considered playing nice when that happens.

    mike 

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    JamesD.
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    Don’t know where you are but check first. Air Gas policy was/is not to be rented for PCP use, or I would have gone that route myself at one point.

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    Smok3y
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    I store mine in a storage building on a tank cart. Have it strapped to a chest freezer right now until I can work out something different to the wall, but it is working so well, I may not bother moving it.

    As far as Airgas not allowing, they knew exactly what I was going to use it for and we’re pretty excited and interested. No problems renting it to me and told me about another guy that does it.

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    bubblerboy64
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    First I heard anyone say anything about “ usage “ . Why would there be any policy against a PCP use ? 

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    bf1956
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    No idea, I'm in Wi. and they deliver to my door. I should have been more specific. I do have it strapped to exterior side wall on garage. What I'm driving at is should I have it inside a insulated & heated cabinet? It's getting cold again and I top off with cold nitro. MSDS says not to store inside dwellings for fear of accidental suffacation as it  displaces oxygen.

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    bubblerboy64
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    Risk seems extremely low. .  I don’t  fill directly to the gun.  Fill the smaller tank bring that inside .  

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    bubblerboy64

    First I heard anyone say anything about “ usage “ . Why would there be any policy against a PCP use ? 

    All I know is AG or AGS on Airport Rd in Allentown PA said no 6 years ago. President of company had issued letterhead saying not even with a waiver signed. Maybe they know it’s a real sport now and things are cheaper & no hassle.

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    First I heard anyone say anything about “ usage “ . Why would there be any policy against a PCP use ? 

    All I know is AG or AGS on Airport Rd in Allentown PA said no 6 years ago. President of company had issued letterhead saying not even with a waiver signed. Maybe they know it’s a real sport now and things are cheaper & no hassle.

    Is it possible it’s just an anti gun sentiment?   I can’t see how there is any risk to the company.   In fact why or how would they even know what you were using the gas for.  If I ran into something like that I’d just have my buddy at the local weld shop have the tank delivered to his location.  Makes little or no sense to me.   

    It would be like a dentist or dr using  N2O2 and having a problem and going back on the gas company.  My guess is just anti gunner .

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    bf1956

    No idea, I'm in Wi. and they deliver to my door. I should have been more specific. I do have it strapped to exterior side wall on garage. What I'm driving at is should I have it inside a insulated & heated cabinet? It's getting cold again and I top off with cold nitro. MSDS says not to store inside dwellings for fear of accidental suffacation as it  displaces oxygen.

    @campfussell might be able to chime in. He is in NC, and he has posted picks of his strapped to his carport. I think year round. Not quite the level of cold and snow you have in WI, but we do get winter down here. Airgas thought it was perfectly fine for mine to be in my storage building.

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    Smok3y

    bf1956

    No idea, I'm in Wi. and they deliver to my door. I should have been more specific. I do have it strapped to exterior side wall on garage. What I'm driving at is should I have it inside a insulated & heated cabinet? It's getting cold again and I top off with cold nitro. MSDS says not to store inside dwellings for fear of accidental suffacation as it  displaces oxygen.

    @campfussell might be able to chime in. He is in NC, and he has posted picks of his strapped to his carport. I think year round. Not quite the level of cold and snow you have in WI, but we do get winter down here. Airgas thought it was perfectly fine for mine to be in my storage building.

    Yep, I keep mine outside in the elements strapped to a metal carport support. I leave the gauge on it as my fill assy has a male foster fitting instead of a hose. I just throw a couple shop towels over the gauge assy and slap an old plastic trash can over it when not in use. Only time I take the fill assy off is when I have a tank change out, or a hurricane in the area.

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    bubblerboy64
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    I just switched over tanks yesterday.  Praxair in Chambersburg Pa.  $94   This was their purest gas available.   You can’t beat that with a stick.  Tanks heavy but you can put together a cart to move it on for less then $150 .   

    I cant think if gas is available there is any reason not to.   

    Clean and dry biggest reason.  Second compressors unless you buy a $ 10,000 pure air unit are going to fail sooner or later.  Third reason fast.  Forth quiet 

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    bandg
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    "Second compressors unless you buy a $ 10,000 pure air unit are going to fail sooner or later."

     

    Don't agree with the above at all.  Dive compressors, while expensive, will probably outlast most air gun shooters and are nowhere near $10,000.  The other advantages noted for nitrogen seem true but it is not readily available to everyone.  

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    bubblerboy64
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    I may have exaggerated the $10,000 a little but they are expensive.   Could we agree $5000 ? .    I'm sorta turned off with the compressor having spent $2000 and had a major failure.  I will say AOA certainly did right by me.   I believe the problem is that the less expensive units (meaning under or around $2000) have to work entirely too hard to fill a SCBA tank to 300 bar.  If I was going to use a compressor I would fill more often and not push the compressor to the 300 bar limit.   They are just too lightly constructed to handle what we are expecting of them (my opinion).   Its like running your car to the red line every time you shift gears.   At some point that's going to catch up to you. ( Duty circle )  

    I think if you treat the compressor well.  Warm it up and certainly warm it down, change oil often and don't push it to it's maximum limit the daystates  and similar priced units will probably do pretty well.  However the dive compressors are certainly the way to go if you're filling for more then one shooter or planning to shoot A LOT.   

    You get what you pay for hopefully.  There are lots of those Chinese units being used.   I've got some reservations about them.  I think it's important to get dry clean air into the guns and for those reasons I'd be leaning towards the dive air compressors or the nitrogen.   I'm concerned about just how affective the filtering devices are and how do you know for sure they are working?   Water cooling and all that goes a long with that seems a hassle.

    No one method is right for all.  Unfortunately you have find a path through all of this.  I will say IF the nitrogen is available for the money I've spent I think it's the way to go.   Total to date is $200 for the regulator $250 for two tanks and about $200 in a cart to move the tanks.   It's still not cheap is it? 

    This might benefit the people starting out.  The most frustrating part of the airgun hobby is you for the most part have to buy it to try it.  And if you are like me you don't meet the air gunners in your area until long after you've made most of your purchases.   I guess best advice is read the forum sort out the opinions as best as you can and it you can find a mentor to guide you.   

    And its good to disagree,  Being challenged a little to support your opinion is a good thing.  The goal is not to be right it's to help others and pass along information expressed as clearly as possible so that others can use it OR NOT as they see best for themselves  

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    Humdinger
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    There are several cons to using nitrogen tanks as compared to owning a dive quality compressor, IMHO.  First and foremost is economics.  I can buy a new Alkin, Coltri MCH6 or a used Bauer for $3,000 or less.  Other than oil and filter changes, I have unlimited air for a lifetime.  Let's assume I get tired of this hobby in ten years.  My used Bauer or new Alkin or Coltri will still be worth approximately $2,000 if not more.  That means I've gotten unlimited fills for around $150 per year including oil and filters.   If I rent a nitrogen cylinder, my rental expense and refill costs are spent whether I use the gas or not.  In addition, there is the inconvenience of storing a large cylinder, plus the added expense of a regulated fill yoke and hose which is at least $400-500 additional cost.   I am at the mercy of suppliers who may or may not continue to supply nitrogen.  I am also at their mercy to charge whatever they choose.  This is sure to increase over the years   I chose a compressor because I didn't have reliable dive shop suppliers who provide full fills at a reasonable price even though I live in a large city in North Carolina.   In my case I'm not a super high volume shooter so I only run my compressor about an hour per month for 3 refills.  The bulkiness and economics of nitrogen tank rentals just don't make sense for me compared to the cost of a dive quality compressor.  The missing element in the equation is the residual value of the compressor.   I also don't agree that reliable compressors are a $5000 investment.   I have a $2,000 Daystate LC-110 which has been perfect for my requirments.

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    tibor
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    wow 1 hour a month..no wonder no problems with the daystate..look at all the fails in this forum section ..on $2000 and under even type 2 failed …just not good…yup still looking..that akin looks better every day

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