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Looks like you haven't been informed about Nikon screwing their past long time loyal customers over once they shut down scope manufacturing over a year ago.
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I stayed quiet on this in hopes the repaired Nikon EFR scope was gonna magically come back in the mail.
Time to sound the alarm bells now.
Well I couldn't provide my original sales receipt accompanying my failed EFR Nikon and it's been almost a year and never got my broken scope back and they aren't getting back to me. I bought many brand new Nikon scopes and good number of used ones with the NO BS iron clad guarantee many years ago. I woulda been better off fixing it myself at least I wouldn't have gotten ripped off with nothing to show for.
https://riflescope-review.com/do-nikon-scopes-have-a-lifetime-warranty/
You just as dead in the water buying a used HAWKE OPTISAN MTC FALCON MUELLER BSA DISCOVERY TAC Vector and so on that requires original dated proof of purchase receipt some require original owner registration within 30 days of purchase date like UK scope companies which involves photo copy of your sales receipt dated less than 30 days from purchase date and telling them your scope serial numbers or too bad for you (2B4U) no warranty for you and FYI warranty for these brands aren't transferable especially UK scope companies pretty sly driven by greed and blatant disregard to their customers hard earned money spent I might add. There are more brands out there to please be aware be smart about the brands you buy don't be TOO HUMAN and learn the hard way after the fact don't lose your original proof of purchase receipts! Have them laminated and kept in a safe deposit box! Be sure to buy them dirt cheap when buying used know you have no warranty and sell them cheap so no ill or hard feelings to the next guy when it fails on them since you already told them no warranty as-is at the time of sale.
Hope scope companies don't just pocket all the money and shut down - run off to be like AEONs LIFETIME WARRANTY. 2B4U!!!
Beware scope companies that haven't been around too long for at least 10 years. Then again look what Nikon did...
They can just close shop pocket all the money and 2B4U. No need to dip into profits anymore to swap any more brand new scopes for warranty.
Lifetime warranty means crap if the owners of the relatively new (less than 10 years established) startup scope company decide to just be greedy and retire early and shut down and run off with your hard earned money.
Time to sound the alarm bells now.
Well I couldn't provide my original sales receipt accompanying my failed EFR Nikon and it's been almost a year and never got my broken scope back and they aren't getting back to me. I bought many brand new Nikon scopes and good number of used ones with the NO BS iron clad guarantee many years ago. I woulda been better off fixing it myself at least I wouldn't have gotten ripped off with nothing to show for.
https://riflescope-review.com/do-nikon-scopes-have-a-lifetime-warranty/
You just as dead in the water buying a used HAWKE OPTISAN MTC FALCON MUELLER BSA DISCOVERY TAC Vector and so on that requires original dated proof of purchase receipt some require original owner registration within 30 days of purchase date like UK scope companies which involves photo copy of your sales receipt dated less than 30 days from purchase date and telling them your scope serial numbers or too bad for you (2B4U) no warranty for you and FYI warranty for these brands aren't transferable especially UK scope companies pretty sly driven by greed and blatant disregard to their customers hard earned money spent I might add. There are more brands out there to please be aware be smart about the brands you buy don't be TOO HUMAN and learn the hard way after the fact don't lose your original proof of purchase receipts! Have them laminated and kept in a safe deposit box! Be sure to buy them dirt cheap when buying used know you have no warranty and sell them cheap so no ill or hard feelings to the next guy when it fails on them since you already told them no warranty as-is at the time of sale.
Hope scope companies don't just pocket all the money and shut down - run off to be like AEONs LIFETIME WARRANTY. 2B4U!!!
Beware scope companies that haven't been around too long for at least 10 years. Then again look what Nikon did...
They can just close shop pocket all the money and 2B4U. No need to dip into profits anymore to swap any more brand new scopes for warranty.
Lifetime warranty means crap if the owners of the relatively new (less than 10 years established) startup scope company decide to just be greedy and retire early and shut down and run off with your hard earned money.
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I buy a lot of different brand scopes over the past 35+ years and have many fail and first hand the hard way on several of their BS LIFETIME WARRANTIES.
Get this some brands LIFETIME WARRANTIES even require a co payment you have to send them extra money to get it fixed or replaced in addition to proof of purchase receipt!!! I even had scopes and rangefinder sent back within Warranty period in the same broken condition so I was forced to learn how to fix them myself.
Get this some brands LIFETIME WARRANTIES even require a co payment you have to send them extra money to get it fixed or replaced in addition to proof of purchase receipt!!! I even had scopes and rangefinder sent back within Warranty period in the same broken condition so I was forced to learn how to fix them myself.
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UTG...the only place you ever have to send them is to the next guy you sell them to!
Your mileage may vary, but that's been my experience over the years, and I've owned a bunch of these scopes. I've never understood why people pay $400+ for a scope that shows the same image as my $100 UTG. Granted I can't brag about name brand ownership, but every time I shoot something, it still gets hit where the crosshairs are aimed....
Regards,
Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot
Your mileage may vary, but that's been my experience over the years, and I've owned a bunch of these scopes. I've never understood why people pay $400+ for a scope that shows the same image as my $100 UTG. Granted I can't brag about name brand ownership, but every time I shoot something, it still gets hit where the crosshairs are aimed....
Regards,
Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot
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Hawke has never asked me for a receipt and has always just sent me a new one if I had a issue . Vortex , athlon and sightron do the same ...also utg replaced a scope pretty fast for me also .
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Gotta tell you, I do love my UTG $100 scope as well. It is one fantastic piece of equipment that functions perfectly for me and I truly enjoy the value I have with it. However, I can tell you the glass is not as clear as even my sig whiskey 3asp (around $135 shipped to my door), and doesn't touch the higher end ones.
I am not picky, so I love my UTG. The only time I REALLY notice the difference is when I'm shooting with multiple scopes on a row. I pick up the UTG and I am soooooo pleased with the value, then I pick up a higher end one (fill in the blank...) and I do see the difference. Is it worth the extra $ for the higher scopes? For me and my purposes probably not. For others it is a world of difference.
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The Nikon warranty is different from Vortex and other lifetime warranties - it doesn't cover accidental damage where the Vortex warranty is:
OUR VIP WARRANTY IS ABOUT YOU, NOT US.
VIP stands for a Very Important Promise to you, our customer. We will repair or replace your Vortex® product in the event it becomes damaged or defective—at no charge to you. If we cannot repair your product, we will replace it with a product in perfect working order of equal or better physical condition.
You see, it doesn't matter how it happened, whose fault it was or where you purchased it. If you ever have a problem, no matter the cause, we promise to take care of you. You can count on the VIP Warranty for all Vortex Optics riflescopes, prism scopes, red dots, rangefinders, binoculars, spotting scopes, tripods and monoculars.
UNLIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY
FULLY TRANSFERABLE
NO RECEIPT NEEDED
https://vortexoptics.com/vip-warranty
Considering I've been buying Nikon equipment for over 45 years and never needed a warranty repair, I can't speak to current problems. However in reviewing the legaleze, Vortex is clearly ahead in the commitment to the consumer department.
As for closing the sporting optics division, I can see why Nikon closed. So much competition these days and so many scopes that don't just rival Nikon quality, but may surpass it at price points Nikon won't meet. I'm sure the profit margins dropped well below what the Camera division was making. When you charge $3000 for a Z 7II without a lens, the profit margins seem to be a bit more than in the $300 scope business. Could never find a Nikon scope that fit my needs, so never bought one.
Warranties are only as good as the company behind them, and if Vortex went out of business, the warranty would be worthless. Same for Hawke or any other company. So, choose the company as much as the scope if you really care about the warranty.
OUR VIP WARRANTY IS ABOUT YOU, NOT US.
VIP stands for a Very Important Promise to you, our customer. We will repair or replace your Vortex® product in the event it becomes damaged or defective—at no charge to you. If we cannot repair your product, we will replace it with a product in perfect working order of equal or better physical condition.
You see, it doesn't matter how it happened, whose fault it was or where you purchased it. If you ever have a problem, no matter the cause, we promise to take care of you. You can count on the VIP Warranty for all Vortex Optics riflescopes, prism scopes, red dots, rangefinders, binoculars, spotting scopes, tripods and monoculars.
UNLIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY
FULLY TRANSFERABLE
NO RECEIPT NEEDED
https://vortexoptics.com/vip-warranty
Considering I've been buying Nikon equipment for over 45 years and never needed a warranty repair, I can't speak to current problems. However in reviewing the legaleze, Vortex is clearly ahead in the commitment to the consumer department.
As for closing the sporting optics division, I can see why Nikon closed. So much competition these days and so many scopes that don't just rival Nikon quality, but may surpass it at price points Nikon won't meet. I'm sure the profit margins dropped well below what the Camera division was making. When you charge $3000 for a Z 7II without a lens, the profit margins seem to be a bit more than in the $300 scope business. Could never find a Nikon scope that fit my needs, so never bought one.
Warranties are only as good as the company behind them, and if Vortex went out of business, the warranty would be worthless. Same for Hawke or any other company. So, choose the company as much as the scope if you really care about the warranty.
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The Alpha6 is probably in the next 3 classes bumped up in glass quality if you think the UTG is just as clear as $400 scopes yes which it is kinda I agree to a point at max 16x but certainly NOT their 24x and no way their 32x not even close. I like UTG for sub $130 up to 16x but for around $200 you get 3x better glass and 27x hard to touch that and hands down superior eyebox friendliness from the Alpha6 compared to ANY COUNTY OF ORIGIN SCOPE AT ANY PRICE AT ANY POWER...IMHO...
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Shoot44, Tis sad when a company doesn't keep the customer happy. Been considering a high end Nikon camera - this does give cause to reconsider how important the warranty is to me. . . . . . . . . . . . .
Sadly, the other camera I'd consider is twice the cost of the Nikon, and probably doesn't have much better warranty record. . . . .
Sadly, the other camera I'd consider is twice the cost of the Nikon, and probably doesn't have much better warranty record. . . . .
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