Next US impact shipment?

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    Nuke307
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    Its going on 6 months now I’ve been waiting for the call from AOA to let me know my impact’s in. I call about every month or so and they keep telling me my order should be on the next shipment they receive (didn’t make the last one in June but they said for sure ill be on the next one) which they expected in the middle of July. Anyone else been waiting this long? Put my order in around the first week of February for a black .25 paid half then and the rest a few months later. Maybe they sent me to the back of the line when they processed my second payment? Hope it’s worth the wait lol 

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    Erik
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    FX is on vacation I heard.

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    dodge3500
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    6 months and still no impact?I’m way to impatient for that,6 to 8 weeks sure for a custom build.
    I truly hope it’s worth your wait and shoots lasers for you.

    Lol I would have already pulled all my hair out waiting.

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    7deuce
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    I originally asked for black back in April and the estimate was August. I called for an update last week and AoA told me September. I said what about silver and they had some in stock so I’ll be getting mine on Wed. 

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    Scott_MCT
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    6 months seems excessive.  The RAW I ordered takes 12 weeks to build and ship.  In my opinion there is at least the same amount of work involved building a RAW vs an Impact.  This means FX isn’t even starting on your Impact for months after you placed your order.  Since FX does not have to do stock work like RAW does, it’s amazing that 6 months later you still have nothing.  AOA is the only US importer so I find it a little suspious that no Impact’s have seen US shores in 6 months? I know the WildCat isn’t as popular but it took about a month for it to show up.

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    GQ
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    Here in Canada we have wait 18 months.
    I got it 3 weeks ago and I am fortunate to have a ”diamond”.
    Wish you the best guys.
     

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    zebra
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    I don’t have access to any inside info but you have to assume that demand for the Impact is many times greater than demand for any of the RAW rifles (and most others too) There was already a fairly major bullpup craze before the Impact and it has unique features that are highly desirable worldwide. 

    I haven’t seen the Impact production process but I know enough about general manufacturing to say that the Impact looks more complicated to produce than the average PCP. It has a number of fairly chunky metal components that require precision (like the trigger block). Even if the process is somewhat automated with CNC mills, it’s not going to be quick. 

    Check out a few YouTube clips showing high end vertical mills in action to get an idea of the speed they operate at. It’s a snails pace compared to making plastic and wood parts, or casting and stamping metal. It does produce high quality parts though and that’s kinda what you expect at that price range. 

    Without a change in design, I think it will be like this for a while. Look on the bright side, when your Impacts arrive, they are certain to hold their value for the foreseeable future. 

     

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    GQ
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    Totally agree with your statemenr Zebra.

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    Broberts1
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    My wait was 4 months for the gun in .25 and an additional 2 months for my .30 kit. The wait was totally worth it. I know a lot of people have had issues with theirs, but I lucked out. By far the best 100yrd groups I have ever gotten out of an air rifle and to be honest shooting “pony” beers consistently at 175yrds with an Airgun is more fun than I ever expected. 

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    John_in_Ma
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    “zebra”I don’t have access to any inside info but you have to assume that demand for the Impact is many times greater than demand for any of the RAW rifles (and most others too) There was already a fairly major bullpup craze before the Impact and it has unique features that are highly desirable worldwide. 

    I haven’t seen the Impact production process but I know enough about general manufacturing to say that the Impact looks more complicated to produce than the average PCP. It has a number of fairly chunky metal components that require precision (like the trigger block). Even if the process is somewhat automated with CNC mills, it’s not going to be quick. 

    Check out a few YouTube clips showing high end vertical mills in action to get an idea of the speed they operate at. It’s a snails pace compared to making plastic and wood parts, or casting and stamping metal. It does produce high quality parts though and that’s kinda what you expect at that price range. 

    Without a change in design, I think it will be like this for a while. Look on the bright side, when your Impacts arrive, they are certain to hold their value for the foreseeable future. 

     

    Nothing in a RAW is stamped metal, nor are other major components, like the stocks mold formed plastic parts. I’ve met and talked with Martin, who vets every rifle before it leaves the shop. His company takes orders and ships world wide no differently than FX. Have you had the opportunity to meet with Mr Axleson? How much is he involved with the manufacture of his rifles these days? Please do tell.

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    Nuke307
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    I don’t think he was saying anything negative about RAW guns or their build quality just that the demand for FX airguns globally far exceeds that of RAW. It wouldn’t be practical for any one person to vet every rifle before it leaves the factory at FX. 

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    Regarval
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    My black 30cal took 7months to get dropped of by Brown Santa,  I know some guys had bad luck with theirs, I guess I got lucky with mine, the .30 is pretty accurate. I didn’t experience any barrel fitting problems, I took it out yesterday to try the .22cal barrel and it was the same as the .30, very accurate, I was shooting 1 1/2 cockies @ 100 yards. I know the gun will eventually leak but that’s expected, all my pcp do in one point.

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    Nuke307
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    Update: Got a shipping confirmation email today. No phone call though which is very unfortunate because I recently moved, I called after I moved and told them I changed my address but they shipped it to the old one.

    I called today and they hadn’t sent it out yet so they were able to change the address! Monday cant come soon enough! I even have that day off!

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    zebra
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    “John_in_Ma”

    “zebra”I don’t have access to any inside info but you have to assume that demand for the Impact is many times greater than demand for any of the RAW rifles (and most others too) There was already a fairly major bullpup craze before the Impact and it has unique features that are highly desirable worldwide. 

    I haven’t seen the Impact production process but I know enough about general manufacturing to say that the Impact looks more complicated to produce than the average PCP. It has a number of fairly chunky metal components that require precision (like the trigger block). Even if the process is somewhat automated with CNC mills, it’s not going to be quick. 

    Check out a few YouTube clips showing high end vertical mills in action to get an idea of the speed they operate at. It’s a snails pace compared to making plastic and wood parts, or casting and stamping metal. It does produce high quality parts though and that’s kinda what you expect at that price range. 

    Without a change in design, I think it will be like this for a while. Look on the bright side, when your Impacts arrive, they are certain to hold their value for the foreseeable future. 

     

    Nothing in a RAW is stamped metal, nor are other major components, like the stocks mold formed plastic parts. I’ve met and talked with Martin, who vets every rifle before it leaves the shop. His company takes orders and ships world wide no differently than FX. Have you had the opportunity to meet with Mr Axleson? How much is he involved with the manufacture of his rifles these days? Please do tell.

    
I’m not suggesting that RAW uses stamped metal (they don’t even use metal stocks), only that their design is less complicated to manufacture (like most other PCP rifles). I happen to think that RAW products are excellent quality. No need to be defensive as nothing is being attacked (at least not by me). 

    I’m also saying that the demand for the Impact is clearly many times larger than it is for RAW rifles (and most other premium air rifles right now). 

    These points only relate to what was said about the lead times on the Impact – I.e. That it’s not really comparable from a manufacturing point of view to traditional designs. 

    That being said, if a small niche company like RAW suddenly experienced Impact level demand, I am 100% certain that you would see similar or even longer delays until they had a chance to scale up their production capability. These companies just aren’t set up for mass production and you wouldn’t want them to be.

    FX is facing a challenge that is not uncommon for premium brands when they 
     

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    Scott_MCT
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    Guys, I never really thought about the demand of the Impact vs. the RAW.  But with that said, I would assume FX has many more employees as evidenced in the FX and RAW factory videos.  RAW has like 7, maybe 10 employees?  In the FX factory video is was clear they has way more employees and a much larger factory.  I’m glad both FX and RAW have big lead times for the right reasons which is they produce awesome products.  I’m just questioning the big gap in lead times on the Impact, but I might be wrong.  Glad my little WildCat didn’t have the lead time of the Impact.

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    zebra
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    “Scott_MCT”Guys, I never really thought about the demand of the Impact vs. the RAW.  But with that said, I would assume FX has many more employees as evidenced in the FX and RAW factory videos.  RAW has like 7, maybe 10 employees?  In the FX factory video is was clear they has way more employees and a much larger factory.  I’m glad both FX and RAW have big lead times for the right reasons which is they produce awesome products.  I’m just questioning the big gap in lead times on the Impact, but I might be wrong.  Glad my little WildCat didn’t have the lead time of the Impact.

    
FX also has many more models to make in their factory (or factories). 

    I don’t think staff would be the only issue (although it’s probably not easy to hire high quality air gunsmiths on mass). There would be a bottle-neck on the machinery for certain components and a limit to how many new high end CNC machines they could buy (they are very expensive). It’s only the Impact that suffers such long delays.

    I was wondering if FX plans to drop some of their less popular models to refocus resources. They currently have way more than any other high end brand. It has to make things harder for them.

     

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    Scott_MCT
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    I’m an Area Service Manager for a world wide HVAC manufacturer so I certainly understand business.   I agree, the depth of their product line at FX may be the reason.  I agree that FX may have too many variations and might be getting bogged down as a result.  I confirmed RAW has 7 employees at the time of the video so I still question why FX haven’t managed their orders.  Simply put low demand products on a big lead time, and AOA list as…OUT OF STOCK for a while and divert resources to the Impact. (JMHO).

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    “Scott_MCT”I’m an Area Service Manager for a world wide HVAC manufacturer so I certainly understand business.   I agree, the depth of their product line at FX may be the reason.  I agree that FX may have too many variations and might be getting bogged down as a result.  I confirmed RAW has 7 employees at the time of the video so I still question why FX haven’t managed their orders.  Simply put low demand products on a big lead time, and AOA list as…OUT OF STOCK for a while and divert resources to the Impact. (JMHO).

    
I think fx is making its money on the wildcats, and the impacts might need special tools/parts. You do the math. This is how stuff works. You cant always have your toy right now!. Go buy a raw then if its so wonderful.

    ps I have waited months on a new car also. Doubt you could run into a ferrari shop and demand their top model instantly.

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    GQ
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    Just try to buy a shotgun at Purdey in London. You will have to wait for years before you get what you want.

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