Newbie questions

Hello, just signed up and this is my first post. First, a little about me: I'm definitely not new to firearms, been shooting and hunting pretty much my entire life. But, I am a newbie when it comes to what I call "real pellet guns"...meaning, something a bit above the cheap $40 pump BB guns from wallyworld. I do have an old Chinese pellet rifle (I can't even remember where I got it), that shoots pellets one at a time only and has a long cocking lever under the barrel. I assume this is a spring/piston type action. I will say it's darned accurate, but it's very old and has been sitting for a number of years. The seals around the breech/barrel are all rotted and it doesn't work any more.

My wife and I are considering a nice pellet rifle to deal with some critter nuisances around the homestead (we have a barn and acreage, etc, etc). I use my little Marlin 25 .22 bolt gun for ground hogs, but we have some very pesky birds the wife wants to make disappear. We can't just shoot the .22 in any old direction as, although we are in the country, there are others living within range of a .22. So, we're thinking a decent quality .177 pellet rifle will be the ticket.

I have done a little reading and I am familiar with the basic action types, spring/piston, air spring/piston (Crossman calls theirs "Nitro Piston"), and PCP. I guess the first question is, for the designated use, which type of action would you recommend? Any particular rifle? I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars, but something say, maybe $200 or less? I don't necessarily need the fastest shooting model (1200+ FPS is crazy for what I need anyway), my priority would be on accuracy.

Thanks!
 
Welcome to the forum and to the rabbit hole. 

For what you are considering, I would seriously look at a used good quality European gun. They can be had for within your budget. I know a lot of folks have had good luck with some of the Nitro stuff, but I'm of the mindset with springers that a mild mannered good quality gun will fare much better than the souped up big box store '1200fps' models. ...and by the way, most of those numbers are way inflated and they use useless alloy pellets to generate those kinds of numbers.

Some to look at would be an RWS 34/36, European Beemans (not the Chinese stuff), HW, even a Slavia. 

I'm sure others will chime in with some more specific models. I'm way behind on 'newer' springers as I've not bought one in years as I've switched to PCP's. I still enjoy my springers though. Here is a sampling....

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I’d call the sales guys at AOA air guns of Arizona and talk to them or try to find a local guy to advise you. To get a good gun under 200 is doable but it’s going to require some effort. AOA sells an weihrauch gun called the urban pro that I think is about perfect but it’s lots more money. Air guns are not inexpensive if you want quality.
This is an air gun forum and most of us are NUTS we shoot $2000 air guns. It can be addictive. Be careful 
 
Since you have acreage can you maybe define:

1. What range (yard/meters) you are thinking about shooting? Pigeons off the top of the barn or squirrel hunting versus 25 or 30 yard tweety bird shots can make a difference.

2. What is the largest pest you are thinking about shooting.

There are lots of pesters/hunters on this form that with that information can better advise you on the right caliber and power you require to kill humanely at different distances.
 
I like the idea of a PCP, mainly because you don't have to cock it between shots and I'm a little concerned the wife would be turned off with a break barrel, she's on the tiny side and I can see her getting turned off with the effort of having to cock it every shot. It wouldn't be an issue for me, at least not from the physical effort standpoint. 

No, $500 is out of the question. I just need to pop birds from about 25 yards at least semi-reliably. I don't care what it looks like, if the stock is wood or plastic, it doesn't have to have a perfect, buttery smooth, crisp breaking tigger, or any of that. At first I was eyeing the Crosman F4 at wallyworld as the videos I saw on youtube it seems to be plenty accurate enough, but then there's the break barrel cocking question. I hopped on to Airgun Depot and was looking at the PCP Diana Stormrider ($199) or the Beeman Chief II (same price). The reviews show these are more than accurate enough, if not close to too much power (I don't want to be poking holes in the barn if I miss). Of course, there's the added cost of a pump (and the time and effort to pump them up), but I can deal with that and the wife won't have to deal with cocking it every shot.

I really don't want to go chasing down a used one considering it's intended use. Trust me, this is a rabbit hole that I have no intention of going down. I have enough rabbit holes with my center fire guns and race boats. Believe me, if a Crosman 760 pumper could shoot accurate enough, I'd have no issues using that (I have one and it won't reliably hit the broad side of a barn, even with good pellets). I guess I have that "I want a cheap, but laser accurate rifle" syndrome, lol.
 
Since you have acreage can you maybe define:

1. What range (yard/meters) you are thinking about shooting? Pigeons off the top of the barn or squirrel hunting versus 25 or 30 yard tweety bird shots can make a difference.

2. What is the largest pest you are thinking about shooting.

There are lots of pesters/hunters on this form that with that information can better advise you on the right caliber and power you require to kill humanely at different distances.

The "perfect" plan would be to sit on the porch sipping coffee and popping birds (grackles, starlings) from about 25-35 yards off a wire and some off the roof of the barn (that might stretch things to around 40-ish yards, but that would be tops as far as distance goes). No other game larger than those birds. An occasional need to shoot some rather small birds too, like sparrow sized. Ground varmints get the .22 rimfire treatment.



Definitely want .177 caliber as there are two primary concerns: Homes in the surrounding area and poking holes in the barn.

I am thinking a gun that can reliably put pellets in a half dollar circle at 35-ish yards would fit the bill. Don't need something that shoots stupid fast velocities, I think 900 or less fps is plenty, heck even that might be too much, but I don't know how quickly a .177 pellet loses velocity, so I dunno, maybe 1,000 fps would be good.


 
Since you already own powder burners I am going to assume if you need a scope you have one etc.

If you do go with a break barrel the Beeman R7/Weihrauch HW30s (same manufacturer) are the easiest to cock and your wife would have no issues. Either of those can be purchased for $300. They also have a trigger all other break barrels are compared to.

Another option is CO2. The Umerex 850 M2, when back in stock fits your needs. I don't know what part of the US you are in, but CO2 works best when the rifle is 70 degrees or above.

There are other PCP's, etc out there that others can advise on (I haven't had my hands on them).

Finally, last I heard the AGNATION code at Crosman still works for 25% off and free shipping on Fridays if anyone recommends their products or you start looking at that brand.
 
With the budget you mention I'd forget PCP. Even if you have a local fire station or dive shop that could fill the tank, you have the cost of the tank in addition to the cost of the rifle and you are back above $500. Same with the Yong Heng compressor and a PCP rifle. With what you have stated, I would suggest getting the best quality break barrel you can afford. And the syndrome you mention above is real and rarely cured for many people.

One outside possibility might be a Crosman 1377 multi-pump pistol. Again an outside possibility and almost certainly won't cure your "syndrome" but might eliminate some pest birds.
 
With the budget you mention I'd forget PCP. Even if you have a local fire station or dive shop that could fill the tank, you have the cost of the tank in addition to the cost of the rifle and you are back above $500. Same with the Yong Heng compressor and a PCP rifle. With what you have stated, I would suggest getting the best quality break barrel you can afford. And the syndrome you mention above is real and rarely cured for many people.

One outside possibility might be a Crosman 1377 multi-pump pistol. Again an outside possibility and almost certainly won't cure your "syndrome" but might eliminate some pest birds.

So the $199 Diana Stormrider or the Beeman Chief II wouldn't be worth it? They have small built-in tanks on them already and a high pressure hand pump is only like $50.

I thought about CO2, but cartridges are somewhere in the neighborhood of a $1 each. That would get pricey over time.

Are there any accurate pump guns? I'm only familiar with the cheapies like the Crosman 760 or the Daisey 880 stuff. I wouldn't be against a pump gun if it can give the accuracy I want/need.
 
Since you already own powder burners I am going to assume if you need a scope you have one etc.

If you do go with a break barrel the Beeman R7/Weihrauch HW30s (same manufacturer) are the easiest to cock and your wife would have no issues. Either of those can be purchased for $300. They also have a trigger all other break barrels are compared to.

Another option is CO2. The Umerex 850 M2, when back in stock fits your needs. I don't know what part of the US you are in, but CO2 works best when the rifle is 70 degrees or above.

There are other PCP's, etc out there that others can advise on (I haven't had my hands on them).

Finally, last I heard the AGNATION code at Crosman still works for 25% off and free shipping on Fridays if anyone recommends their products or you start looking at that brand.

Nah, CO2 is out. Pricey for cartridges over time, plus I'm in NW Pennsylvania. Not the warmest place to be :)

Yeah, I'm well covered for scopes, although as I understand it, a regular rifle scope is a no-no on any of the spring/piston guns because of the reverse recoil of the piston slamming home when fired (I read that somewhere, just can't remember where).
 
Pyramyd air has a Stormrider open box for $169. That and a Chinese hand pump would take care of things quite well. It is only slightly more powerful than many of the springers and you could easily choke off the transfer port a bit or change out the hammer spring to get less power. I would suggest a smallish inline filter at a later date to keep the moisture out of your gun.

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Diana_Stormrider_Multi_shot_PCP_Air_Rifle/4449#8824

Review for the Stormrider

https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/diana-stormrider-gen-2-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/

Most springers require a good amount of strength to operate. Other than that and that they have a harsh recoil that kills scopes there is nothing wrong with a decent one which you will have trouble finding at your price point. If you could manage a little more money you would have allot better luck on your choices and quality of guns.

I did manage to find some RWS 34 break barrels at near $250. Scroll down

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/air-rifles/?filters[14]=14#panel-catalog-products-filters

Review for the 34

https://airgunmaniac.com/diana-rws-34-with-t06-trigger-review/

I wish you luck in your search for the perfect gun.
 
If you can bump your budget up a hundred bucks, the Air Venturi Avenger is getting rave reviews everywhere I look and goes for $300. You can get a pump for $40-$80 on ebay or even on Amazon. That does bump the price up even more, but the reviews are exceptionally strong. If you go to the AEAC channel on youtube, you can check out Steve's long review of it on that channel and his tuning guide for it on his sister vlog channel.

That's a big price jump from $200, but one of the main reasons I suggest it is that it is highly adjustable. And easily adjustable externally -- you don't have to pull the gun apart. That could let you do two useful things: 1. Get the power up or down to where you need it with relative ease. That will help with your goals and your neighbor's safety too. 2. The big adjustability of the rifle makes it one that it's possible to do a lot of learning on, if you wish, and relatively on the cheap. You can learn whether you even want to do much tinkering or not, and you won't have to worry about messing up a $2000 gun doing it. Plus, if you get totally lost, go to AEAC vlog's youtube tuning guide and he will get you back to a useful tune with his instruction right there. He posts an economy tune (tons of shots at lower power), a pro-tune, which he figures for a happy medium, and a power tune. Note: His tune is for a .22, not a .177. But you should be able to follow along and get plenty of use out of his explanations and methodical approach.

Or just skip it and stick with factory settings for however long you wish. The thing is, that adjustability means if you ever decide you wanted a gun that was a bit different, you could get it by doing some adjusting instead of having to buy a whole new gun. And it means you don't have to rely on having a gun that is perfect for you right out of the box, as you can make changes instead of just either being stuck with something you don't like or going through the hassle of returns.
 
That refurb Diana looks good. It seems to be in the ballpark with the Beeman in terms of performance. Unfortunately, I just hit a snag. Apparently the wife and I have wildly different ideas about what a "suitable" pellet rifle would be, primarily in terms of cost. She doesn't understand why a $49 BB gun won't suit our needs. Sigh. I was intentionally keeping things at or below the $200 price specifically because I knew she wouldn't go for a $500+ gun. She thinks a pellet rifle is a toy I guess. Well, time to edumacate SWMBO....
 
They are out of stock (PA).

Get the 22 Maximus Hunter with scope combo direct from Crosman.com.

Use AGNATION 25% discount code order Friday morning for free shipping. $164.99 when done right. 5 year warranty can't be beat as long as you don't do any irreversible tuning alterations. Just needs a Challenger trigger upgrade or live with a 4-5# trigger which is doable once you get used to it who knows. It's only 23fpe shooting in the 700-800fps so no worries and puts more effective kills on birds than a 177. Screw on at TKO22.com LDC-airgun silencer to make it super quiet if you like. They won't know what hit them. Easily pumps to 2000psi little effort.

https://www.crosman.com/maximus-hunter-22

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That refurb Diana looks good. It seems to be in the ballpark with the Beeman in terms of performance. Unfortunately, I just hit a snag. Apparently the wife and I have wildly different ideas about what a "suitable" pellet rifle would be, primarily in terms of cost. She doesn't understand why a $49 BB gun won't suit our needs. Sigh. I was intentionally keeping things at or below the $200 price specifically because I knew she wouldn't go for a $500+ gun. She thinks a pellet rifle is a toy I guess. Well, time to edumacate SWMBO....


Maybe you can talk to her and educate her on the fact that there are airguns that are toys that lack teh power and accuracy needed and there are airguns that are tools which would werq. Show her the upper and mid priced guns as well. Good luck in you quest.
 
A cheap Daisy 880 shooting pellets would be able to do what you want out to roughly 25 yards after some modifications to secure the barrel better than how the factory designed and you have to pump it and it's like a plastic toy gun relatively cheap. You may get lucky and get one that has a very good secured barrel that shoots perfect straight out if the box. Just don't ever shoot BBs that will ruin your barrel and accuracy.

$36.96 Wal-Mart online sold out check your local one. Be mindful local Wal-Marts dont take any returns on airgun related stuff even with receipt. Other sellers sell them for $49.99 and up.
 
With the budget you mention I'd forget PCP. Even if you have a local fire station or dive shop that could fill the tank, you have the cost of the tank in addition to the cost of the rifle and you are back above $500. Same with the Yong Heng compressor and a PCP rifle. With what you have stated, I would suggest getting the best quality break barrel you can afford. And the syndrome you mention above is real and rarely cured for many people.

One outside possibility might be a Crosman 1377 multi-pump pistol. Again an outside possibility and almost certainly won't cure your "syndrome" but might eliminate some pest birds.

So the $199 Diana Stormrider or the Beeman Chief II wouldn't be worth it? They have small built-in tanks on them already and a high pressure hand pump is only like $50.

I thought about CO2, but cartridges are somewhere in the neighborhood of a $1 each. That would get pricey over time.

Are there any accurate pump guns? I'm only familiar with the cheapies like the Crosman 760 or the Daisey 880 stuff. I wouldn't be against a pump gun if it can give the accuracy I want/need.

I have a Stormrider and have culled quite a few squirrels with it. Yes, it can be hand pumped but it seems few people are willing to do that after a while but if you can do so then it could work well. I know nothing about the Beeman Chief.