New VP Crown - love this gun

STO

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So I'm a fan of the FX Crown, what can I say. It is just my opinion, but I feel like it has captured a certain elegance of design the Impact lost by being just a little bit too complicated.

Anyway I just got my hands on one of the new "Value Priced" Crowns which are considerably cheaper than the standard carbon bottle Crown. I had expected it to be a lot heavier and more off balance, but it really isn't. Shooting it off a tripod, despite both a longer barrel and the big metal cylinder, the balance point was only slightly further forward than my 500mm barrel carbon bottle shroud. I think this VP crown is a screaming good deal at ~1300$. It still handles great, feels great, points great, shoots great, and costs a bit less. 

One odd thing I did notice though is that the bottle doesn't appear to be magnetic. They advertise it as a steel bottle, but it sure doesn't seem like it to me both in weight and lack of magnetism. Yes I know certain grades of steel are non-magnetic, but still. If you were worried the metal bottle was going to be a brick on the front of your gun, fear not, it isn't. If you're on the fence about getting a VP Crown, I'd say absolutely go for it! 

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Just my 2c. If anyone has any questions about standard vs. VP I'll happily try to answer them. :D
 
Thanks T3P. I guess I'm not crazy thinking it was awfully like alu. The Utah Airguns product description got me. 

"Nothing has changed on the Crown VP except for a 500cc steel bottle in place of the 480cc carbon fiber bottle"

https://utahairguns.com/fxcrownvp/





@farrah does this mean whatever happened between FX and AoA has been sorted out and they are able to sell FX again?
 
STO are you still happy with the VP edition ?

im considering buying one in .177 and turn it into sub12ftp for my backyard shooting where it has to be neighbour friendly

it has all needed adjustments right from the factory for turning the power down and a 500mm barrel.

the shroud is a moderator ? are baffels inside ? do you got maybe some pictures of it ? shroud is telescopic or not ?

is the barrel threaded ?
 
Yup, still happy with it. I must say, given that FX doesn't offer the Crown with the 580cc carbon bottle as a factory option, I can't imagine buying anything BUT the VP edition. Either the metal bottle doesn't bother you, or you can buy the metal bottle version plus a 580cc bottle for about the same price as a regular Crown. 

But yes, the short version is I'm very happy with both my Crowns. 

The shroud is a moderator of sorts. The Continuum shroud is a bit different, and I don't know if FX is going to expand that to all the Crowns, however both of mine have the "regular" extendable shroud system. The way that works is you have a muzzle brake attached to the other end of the tubular bolt that tensions the inner barrel to the outer barrel. In its fully retracted position, there is zero clearance between the inside front of the shroud and the front face of the muzzle brake. This, at least in .22, is a fairly loud configuration. The shroud though can simply be slid forward and rotationally locked against a stop which is attached at the rear (action end) of the outer barrel. This is much quieter, but was still a bit loud for my tastes. There are NO baffles. In theory you could extend the shroud permanently and stick some baffles in there, however I've gone a slightly different route and have made quite a project out of making the Crown quieter. Those adventures, along with some pictures of what is inside the Crown shrouds, can be found here:

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/shroud-damper/

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/fx-crown-bespoke-moderator-tesla-gas-diode/



The barrel, inner barrel anyway, is not threaded as it is one of FX's liners. The aforementioned tubular nut IS however threaded, 1/2UNF if I recall correctly, so you can mount a moderator directly to it if you are so inclined. That said, the reflex volume of the shroud and brake provides substantial advantage in terms of sound attenuation, so if you're looking to be quiet I'd go for a mod or thread adapter which screws to the front of the shroud instead. That'll work MUCH better to quiet it. 

As far as how quiet and how close your neighbors are, what I'll say is that I've gotten even my .30 quiet enough even pretty close neighbors wouldn't be phased by the sound of it going off. The problem is the sound of those big .30 pills slapping into dirt or steel targets or whatever. A specialty target/trap would fix this, but the point I'm trying to make is that you should be able to muffle substantially more than a 12 foot pound Crown effectively, to the point where your neighbors won't be bothered, assuming you know what you're doing. 

I hope that helps. 
 
Hi STO , I recently bought a FX Crown in .22 and , well , was a bit disapointed by the accuracy. Maybe the gun needs some break-in, I shot just 4 magazines . Despite my problem by changing the barrel to a .25 ,( see my topic " FX Crown problems" ) I think this gun has a lot of potential once the right adjustments are found. By the way , could you tell me the values you set on your FX , reg pressure and power wheel for .22 an .25.Thanks.

Mike




 
I've got 2 crowns as well, the shroud on my 22 was plenty quiet by its self. But the continuum is quite loud as there is no air stripper. And the shroud is fixed with a large bore on the end. 

As for the 580cc bottle. It does add a considerable amount of weight versus the 480cc. The continuum is a joy to shoot with the wood stock and 480cc bottle + lightweight barrel. I also have the fx moderator with a small extension and 3d printed baffles + contained felt damper at the tip. Weighs 450gm ~ The gun feels like the perfect weight/balance to me with the 15" barrel. 
 
Hi STO , I recently bought a FX Crown in .22 and , well , was a bit disapointed by the accuracy. Maybe the gun needs some break-in, I shot just 4 magazines . Despite my problem by changing the barrel to a .25 ,( see my topic " FX Crown problems" ) I think this gun has a lot of potential once the right adjustments are found. By the way , could you tell me the values you set on your FX , reg pressure and power wheel for .22 an .25.Thanks.

Mike

Funny thing, my .22 Crown had leading problems when I first got it. After less than 100 rounds, there would be a lot of lead in the bore and accuracy would be substantially impaired. I did two things to it, and I'm not sure which actually helped or if both did, but afterward it shot tight groups and never needs cleaning. The first thing is I hit it with JB Bore Paste, not once, but twice. The first time seemed to help so I did it again, but before I could properly test/quantify I found myself down a rabbit hole of moderator design. When I came out the other side, I'd fired hundreds (maybe thousands, memory is fuzzy but it was a LOT) of rounds without cleaning or paying any note to the accuracy. After that I shot a little, expecting a mess, but instead found the gun was MOA at 100 yards. So I didn't touch it, didn't clean it, and haven't since. It is still laser accurate. 

The .30 I actually got to play with moderators specifically, so it swallowed hundreds of rounds before I even put a scope on it. When I did, it was accurate but groups seemed to wander a bit. Turns out the tubular bolt and muzzle brake weren't sufficiently snug and so the shroud was able to walk around a little. 

I saw your thread earlier today. That bore seems a bit snug for .25, but what do I know eh? It should certainly clear either way. I'm guessing it backed off a bit. I've seen one other account of someone whose muzzle brake loosened up and it took a couple hits before he figured it out. Long before you start striking the brake, the close proximity to the pellet (air effects increase exponentially with reduced tolerance) and the brake not to mention the shroud no longer being correctly centered will start costing you accuracy in a big way. Without having tensioned your inner barrel and tightened your muzzle brake, you'll really have no idea what the barrel is capable of if that makes sense. 



As far as settings go, my .22 and .30 are set at 135 and 150 bar respectively. HST numbers are meaningless because the actual internal adjustment of the spring stop screw is different between guns, not to mention the spring coefficients themselves. You want to tune for the low-power side of the performance knee, irrespective of your pressure. That is to say set yourself up with whatever plenum pressure you want, and then go into the action and adjust the HST up to more than you'll need. For safety of the valve, I prefer to start low and go high, but start with the minimum HST setting on the wheel and start clicking up by one every couple of shots. (chrono all of this and write all your settings down) As you increase HST, you'll increase in power..... to a point. Then you'll plateau and start going back down again. You want an HST setting which is BEFORE (lower) than that plateau. That is what I mean by tuning for the low side of the knee, you want the hammer strike to be just slightly less than what would yield maximum power, assuming you're tuning for efficiency and accuracy anyway. You can also click down for even lower velocities if you want to use less air and what have you, lots of guns out there like the Thomas rifles don't have user adjustable regs and so work exclusively on the low-hammer-force side of that power peak. So you clearly can get good accuracy further down the downhill side, but the idea of being JUST BARELY below the plateau is that you're on a part of the power curve where the slope is less steep. This way, if your reg varies by a few bar up or down your velocity delta is minimal. 



I hope that helped explain everything. 

"I think this gun has a lot of potential"



I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it is just my humble opinion that the FX Crown is the best production airgun out there right now. The ease with which it can be tuned and tweaked, plus its air capacity and overall modularity, make it fantastic. It also has a real elegance to the engineering inside it. Everything should be as simple as it can be, and not one bit simpler. To get the features, the Crown runs right on the ragged edge of too complicated, but (IMO) the Impact steps over it into the realm of too fiddly and complicated to be elegant. And even if you don't like the FX barrel liner system, which some people don't, it is no harder to rebarrel than any other gun: just go buy your LW or CZ or TJ or Bartlein or whoever barrel blank, and lathe it to fit along with your own tophat. It is really not any different than any other airgun in that regard. The core of it is an action which is both relatively simple and elegant, and stupid easy to work on. 

Just my 2c. 
 
Thanks for all your explanations , STO, these are crystal clear now. I'm sure it will help a lot to get the most of my FX. I'm more confident now to begin testing the different combinations between pressure and HST.

I'have some Crickets in .22 and .25; these are very accurate out from the box; but the FX is different in the way that's you who make it accurate , and I like this idea.Thanks again.

Mike
 
As far as settings go, my .22 and .30 are set at 135 and 150 bar respectively. HST numbers are meaningless because the actual internal adjustment of the spring stop screw is different between guns, not to mention the spring coefficients themselves. You want to tune for the low-power side of the performance knee, irrespective of your pressure. That is to say set yourself up with whatever plenum pressure you want, and then go into the action and adjust the HST up to more than you'll need. For safety of the valve, I prefer to start low and go high, but start with the minimum HST setting on the wheel and start clicking up by one every couple of shots. (chrono all of this and write all your settings down) As you increase HST, you'll increase in power….. to a point. Then you'll plateau and start going back down again. You want an HST setting which is BEFORE (lower) than that plateau. That is what I mean by tuning for the low side of the knee, you want the hammer strike to be just slightly less than what would yield maximum power, assuming you're tuning for efficiency and accuracy anyway. You can also click down for even lower velocities if you want to use less air and what have you, lots of guns out there like the Thomas rifles don't have user adjustable regs and so work exclusively on the low-hammer-force side of that power peak. So you clearly can get good accuracy further down the downhill side, but the idea of being JUST BARELY below the plateau is that you're on a part of the power curve where the slope is less steep. This way, if your reg varies by a few bar up or down your velocity delta is minimal. 

Sto,

What is your 30 Crown? Is it the Continuum? What barrel/liner length do you have. What pellets/velocity have you found to be optimal? Are you able to get the 44 pellets going close to 900fps? Or what have you found to be most accurate at distance?

thanks,


 
Harry, 

It is the VP or "Value Priced" model. This bad boy:
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/FX_Crown_VP_PCP_Air_Rifle_Synthetic_Stock/4885



Factory pellet liner in 600mm. I mostly run the .30 for moderator testing to be brutally honest, as I enjoy the .22 more, but I can tell you I'm getting 80 foot pounds out of it with the 50.15 grain pellets and as I recall about 1.5-2MOA at 100 yards with them. The 44.75s are more accurate though, and its my understanding they're what the barrel was tuned for. I suspect the .30 slug liner might do better with the 50.15s. I've also been meaning to pick up some of the Hatsan .30 cal pellets which are OEMed by JSB but cost a tiny fraction the price. 

Your questions are very performance specific, and I'm afraid my answer is largely that I haven't spent nearly as much time dialing in my .30 as I have my .22, so I might not be the best guy to ask. I expect Dakota Enox might have better answers for you. I know he hangs out here from time to time, or you can find him on his IG: https://www.instagram.com/the_lords_marksman/



I hope that helps. :)