New to Bipods, would appreciate some recommendations...

@ACS... That's an Atlas clone, buy it at your own risk...

I totally understand the cost issue, if your wanting a bipod for a sub 500.00 rifle, bitter pill to swallow paying half that for a bipod... For me, all of my rifles cost WAY more than my Atlas bipod and are worth the investment... Lifetime warranty...

Ken


I understand and agree, but like I said not all of us own $2500 air rifles.... Many own $200-400 air rifles that still can benefit from a decent bipod...

When you say buy at your own risk, what exactly do you mean, what goes wrong with the clones...?

edit: went back and read you edited post, makes sense, thanks for explaining that....

I have one of the newer. 22 MRods with the lothar-walther barrel and picatinny rail, while this may not be some high end Daystate or FX, I always try to fit with quality gear. Currently sporting a 12x fixed power SWFA ss scope and Atlas bt10 bipod. Being that it is a good bipod with lifetime warranty I have no worries about putting it on one of my PBers for a range trip. 

Yes, I have as much in the accessories as the gun itself. I have found this Mrod very capable even at extended ranges with 21gr NSA slugs. 

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I previously had a Cheap bipod that attached by a piece that fit over sling stud and a nut that held the bipod in place. This was a horrible bipod that I don't even know where it came from, but used it till I could afford the spare cash for the atlas. .

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The nice thing is that if I get an expensive airgun in the future I can easily swap it over. 

As another note:

I do alot of pest control and not so much target shooting. The ability to pan and cant as you set up in different locations is a game changer, since most of my intended targets tend to move around.
 
I have one of the newer. 22 MRods with the lothar-walther barrel and picatinny rail, while this may not be some high end Daystate or FX, I always try to fit with quality gear. Currently sporting a 12x fix SWFA ss scope and Atlas bt10 bipod. Being that it is a good bipod with lifetime warranty I have no worries about throughing it on one of my PBers for a range trip. 

Yes, I have as much in the accessories than the gun itself. I have found this Mrod very capable even at extended ranges with 21gr NSA slugs. 



I previously had a Cheap bipod that attached by a piece that fit over sling stud and a nut that held the bipod in place. This was a horrible bipod that I don't even know where it came from, but used it till I could afford the spare cash for the atlas. .



The nice thing is that if I get an expensive airgun in the future I can easily swap it over. 

As another note:

I do alot of pest control and not so much target shooting. The ability to pan and can as you se up in different locations is a game changer, since most of my intended targets tend to move around.

I also have the exact same gun but with the new Crosman barrel. Its a tack driver and my quietest air rifle. Imo its one of the best mid level quality air rifles.

Nice gun you got there....
 
Tom aka Tomcat Airguns is creating a whooole series of bipod review series videos, check him out on YouTube if you haven’t already. Now the go-to question..... What’s your budget for a bipod? The Atlas bipods are a great choice (if budget permits). I own a couple USA versions as well a couple clones. I picked up a clone first then waited till Atlas was having their “Black Friday” deals and was able to score my first real Atlas bipod for around $150. I found a few major visual/functional differences between the real Atlas vs the clone. The machine work on the USA aka real Atlas bipod is far superior, the knurling on the legs to the gear/detent, and the locking mechanism just works. The clones are ok, I’ve had one literally come apart while in use (screws came loose), the other one on occasion the locking mechanism comes loose as well the swivel knob will come loose, where the US Atlas just works all the time. I also use one of Warne’s Skyline bipods. I love this bipod, it locks in position solidly, and the foot height system is awesome when adjusting the height with a simple click, but this bipod will not work without using an extended picatinny rail. I was also very fortunate to win an Accu-Tac bipod at EBR. I’ve used it a couple times now and my impressions are it’s right up there with my Atlas and Warne. I’ve heard some good things with UTG’s higher end line, but I haven’t used one as of yet. I still have a couple Harris bipods which are great, you’d just have to adapt them to the Impact. Between myself, my wife, and my boys Airguns we have a small collection of clones of various makers and we’ve found they’re all hit and miss meaning some right out of the box work great and a few have literally come apart just putting them on. Besides the Atlas clone that came apart I’ve had a couple Caldwell-Harris style bipods. One works as of now but I’m waiting for it to fail, the other literally came apart as I was trying to secure it to my Wife’s Wildcat (the locking mechanism came apart). Caldwell had a batch of these bipods with major issues that hopefully has been taken care of by now. 
 
I would like to get a bipod for the FX Impact and don’t know what features are useful (never used one). Bipods seem to range from cheap junk to ridiculously overpriced - looking for something practical that is reliable and functional.

I would appreciate couple of pointers, a few suggestions for what I should be looking for and what brands to consider (or avoid). I will be using it (mostly) for bench shooting and some pesting.

Thanks in advance!

Hank

Hank, 

I'm Tom of Tomcat Airguns. A few people have mentioned the videos I'm currently filming and editing (Thanks guys!). Here's a link to my channel on Airgun 101. I did a comparison video a while back on the Atlas vs the Atlas clone. In the end, my advise would be to stay away from the clone. My "vs." video was done many years ago and I do plan on re-filming it because there are some things that I did not address.

There are so many things I could say to the responses I've been reading. Everyone has they're own shooting style, budget, impressions, and features that are important to them. The car analogy is an easy one. Buy a super car capable of 200+ MPH and put the absolute bottom of the barrel, cheapest, junk tires that you can find on it and go for a drive. They'll get you down the street and across town, sure enough. But, when you need them to perform, they'll fail and you'll be wishing you hadn't skimped on them as you slide out of control at 200MPH into a ______. The clone will hold your rifle up, sure enough. But, it's going to fail when you ask it to perform and you'll wish you had spent that money on something better. 

I have found that an easy to adjust TILT feature to be one of the most important features in a bipod for my style of shooting, primarily benchrest. I almost never use the pan feature. Good solid leg extensions are important as well. I thought I would prefer infinitely adjustable but, I'm actually finding that I like legs that lock into positions, so long as the tilt feature has been well designed. Quick release is very important to me as well because I'm switching between rifles quite often.

Price is always a driving factor and I'm not blind to the fact that Accu-Tac and Atlas are very expensive which eliminates them from many peoples budgets. This may be hard to believe, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything but, I've found that you do actually get your moneys worth out of them. It sounds like your budget does not dictate one of these, though. 

Dropping down a notch would put you in the mid level category with prices in the 75 to 150 range. I've been working my way through quite a few that fall into this category recently. The downside to many of these is that they do not have a 45 degree leg position. I almost exclusively use 45. Why? 45 degrees generally widens the stance, which adds stability. It also lowers the rifles center of gravity, which adds stability. Its also puts a little bit of load on the legs which helps remove any slop and, therefore, adds stability. There's a theme here... lol! 

In the mid level category I've been impressed by the Harris ($75), and the Magpul (110?). Both are among the lightest I've tested and both have their own pro's and con's with the biggest difference being the way they mount to the rifle. The Caldwell I tested failed and I felt it was not very ergonomically friendly. Many people have mentioned the UTG bipods to me and, of those, the Recon was specifically mentioned a few times. I actually bought all three designs in order to put them through the paces but, I haven't taken them out of the box yet and the Recon is currently in the mail. So, I can't share a hands-on opinion with you. It'll be quite a few weeks before I get those videos made. Simply looking at a picture of the recon, there's a few things I notice. No quick release, looks like the pan tension might be controlled by a flat head screw, 45 degree leg option, the leg position lock looks like it could have a little slop if it hasn't been designed properly, leg pivot point looks good, it looks like the leg extensions are both position locking as well as infinitely adjustable (haven't seen that before). It also looks like pan and tilt are combined, ball and socket style, and I really would have liked to see them put a lever on the pan adjustment.

LOL!! I was about to hit "Submit" but, decided to look at some of the other pictures on amazon. Look closely at the flat head screw! Looks like someone had to really try to lock it in place. 

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Anyway, I hope this post helps you out in making a decision. Maybe hit my little green dot if it does. 

In case anyone is wondering, I DO NOT have any bipods for sale currently. Once I get done with the final testing, I'll have a massive sale. But, that's a ways out still. 

Happy Shooting! 

Tom


 
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I went to the range the other day thinking I had my Atlas attached to my Wildcat. Turns out the Wildcat was wearing one of my Atlas rip-offs from Utah Airguns. For range trips the clones are fine - the Wildcat was perfect. Nevertheless, in my opinion the Atlas is a superior product in fit, finish, and ergonomics.

Not convinced a clone will "fail". Even if a clone were to "fail", you can have 5 or 6 clones for the price of a single Atlas.
 
@ Tom

Thanks for taking the time for a detailed post! I have watched all of the videos that you have uploaded so far. Have to say that I am far gentler in handling my equipment that you are in your "stress testing" to simulate rigorous use! Good that you do it for us!

Being a designer by trade (retired now) I am aware of how the cost of materials, hardware and machining affect the cost of the fabricating the product and that profit is the difference between this and the price the market will bear.

No doubt that the Atlas bipods are machined to tighter tolerances and assembled with better quality parts and hardware so that they will be more durable and function more smoothly. Still, the people who make the Atlas bipods might want to review their process to see what they could do to reduce their price a bit or maybe offer a more economical line of products. I am not suggesting replacing all the machined parts with cheap stamped ones it's just that I can't understand a 5 or 6 times price difference between their products and the clones.

To be fair, the clones are not finished to the same level or machined to the same tolerances but from reading the reviews they are functional and for many people (who have realistic expectations for items at this price point) they are acceptable as is. While you can't always turn a sows ear into a silk purse a bit of TLC (cleaning, deburring/polishing, shimming, lubricating and maybe upgrading hardware) can go a long way toward improving functionality - especially if you enjoy tinkering.

The way I see it, bipods are simple devices... two folding extendable legs, a pivot point for panning, maybe a cant function and a clamp of some sort to fit to an industry standard mounting - it is not surprising that the designs all look similar. I don't condone stealing intellectual property or copying somebody's work (are the Atlas bipods patented?) but by their price-point Atlas bipods are aimed at a specific market. The clones don't compete for those customers - they are going after the more casual shooters. Like Mercedes and Ford, its a different customer base.

Anyway, these are my thoughts after researching bipods. Being on a fixed income and having (totally) blown my budget on a new rifle and scope I will have to make do with a clone for now and may upgrade to a better quality bipod if needs require it and funds allow it.

Thanks to everybody for their input!

Cheers!

Hank




 
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Hank, thanks for the feedback on your decision and for checking out my vids! Yeah, I do stress test them a little bit. But, before I do that, I test them for basic functionality. I do hope the clone works out for you. Do yourself a favor... before you get it, look for atlas clone fix or modification videos. There are a few mods that you can perform in order to help the clone limp along, trying to function. Any clone I've owned has advertised having a tilt option but, ultimately, did not. It pulled the rifle vertical when you try to tighten it down. Be prepared to deal with that as well. I did perform one of the mods to my original one but, it still fell short, IMO. 

I agree with you that Atlas should be able to find ways to decrease their price point. However, I don't see that happening. Atlas has major military contracts and if they decrease their price point, they'll lose $$$ (millions?). As you put it, they are aimed at a specific market - bloated military contracts. 

The nice thing about getting a clone is that it lets you go shoot while you research which one you'll get next. It also gives you an opportunity to understand which features you'll be using the most. Another tip for ya - I found the cheapest clone prices on Ebay. I think I paid $25 for mine. 

Happy Shooting! 

Tom

P.S. I'm only handling the equipment that way for testing. I'm normally very gentle with my rifles. ;)
 
I went to the range the other day thinking I had my Atlas attached to my Wildcat. Turns out the Wildcat was wearing one of my Atlas rip-offs from Utah Airguns. For range trips the clones are fine - the Wildcat was perfect. Nevertheless, in my opinion the Atlas is a superior product in fit, finish, and ergonomics.

Not convinced a clone will "fail". Even if a clone were to "fail", you can have 5 or 6 clones for the price of a single Atlas.

Agree. Tominco does some very good reviews but stating that a clone "will fail" seems to be a stretch. It may not be absolutely as good as an Atlas but if your budget doesn't allow for an Atlas then a clone might serve just fine for as long as needed. Or it could fail, as anything can fail. At the price point, the clone might serve many people, just as many have stated that they do.
 
Respectfully, I disagree. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all considering I’ve had 2 clones and both failed to perform under normal operating parameters (not stress testing). Reading the experiences others have had tells me that my incidents are not isolated. To each is own, though.

Agreed. Different experiences to be read on this thread and the linked thread above. I'd say an Atlas would not fail (barring something catastrophic) and a clone MIGHT fail (considering reports of those who've used them successfully).
 
Respectfully, I disagree. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all considering I’ve had 2 clones and both failed to perform under normal operating parameters (not stress testing). Reading the experiences others have had tells me that my incidents are not isolated. To each is own, though.

To me "failed" means broken and will not function.

Tom -

Do you mean failure as in broken and will not function? Or do you mean "failed" as in "it did not meet my expectations"?
 
To me, a failure is when something does not function as advertised. Or, in other words, does not work. And, that is what I'm referring to. They claimed to have tilt, neither one did. They claimed to clamp down in positions, neither one did. I could go on but, you get the idea.

I'd be hard pressed to believe any bipod would physically break under normal use. Perhaps a picatinny clamp might break but, even that would most likely have some level of user error. 

Tom
 
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To me, a failure is when something does not function as advertised. Or, in other words, does not work. And, that is what I'm referring to. They claimed to have tilt, neither one did. They claimed to clamp down in positions, neither one did. I could go on but, you get the idea.

I'd be hard pressed to believe any bipod would physically break under normal use. Perhaps a picatinny clamp might break but, even that would most likely have some level of user error. 

Tom

Your point of view is completely valid. Others will view the functionality differently, especially in light of the cost. Good to have choices. Thanks for the continued efforts to provide useful information.
 
Guys, I have no idea why I took an interest in bipods. But, I have, and I'm doing my best to share what I've learned with all of you. I have a statement that is on the wall behind my camera that I read to myself when I'm preparing to start a new video. I'm still refining it but, it goes something like this and it pretty well sums up the driving force of "Tomcat Airguns"...

My goal is to educate people on what to expect from products in order to help them make an educated decision on how they spend their money in order to become the shooter they desire to be. (I'm at work today but, it's something to that effect, anyway)

I have no stake in any of the products I review. I'm not partnered with anyone and I don't have any financial backing from anyone. (Some people might consider Airgun101 a partner of sorts, and that's fine with me.) It's never my intention to push a product on anyone. I do this because I love the sport of air gunning and at the end of the day we're all here to enjoy the sport together and learn off one another. I hope my comments are understood in this way. 

I apologize to the OP for going off topic as well. 

Now... I should probably go get back to work! LOL! 

Tom