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    Quintoona
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    Use that Woods Walker for a while and figure out what you like/dislike about it.  There are plenty of great light hunting airguns.  Benjamin Discovery/Maximus, Daystate Huntsman/Regal, FX Streamline, Brocock Concept/Compatto…  There is a good chance that Woods Walker will do everything you want it to.

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    JohnL57
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    First off, your Marauder pistol has a small air tank so it won’t take much effort to pump up. A compact scope like the Leapers/UTG Bugbuster  3×9 would be a decent scope for the Marauder pistol. I also like the Hawke airmax 4-12 40. Get a scope with a Mildot reticle to help with holdover for longer shots. In my opinion it makes sense to put a smaller lighter scope on the Marauder pistol rather than a huge, powerful heavy scope. Sight in your scope at the distance you see most squirrels and figure out how to hold to hit targets at different ranges.
      The Marauder pistol with the shoulder stock makes a great lightweight hunter. Just shoot the darn thing for a while and have some fun!
    John

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    JimNM
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    The Benji Woods walker is a decent gun from the factory.  I added a high speed barrell, a moderator (air gun silencer) and I kludged an addition to the factory carbon stock.  One charge of 3000 psi will get 3+ magazines of almost silent shooting.  There is a trade off between power and shot count.  If you want mo powa’, you get fewer shots.  The Benji Woods Walker is at best a 15FPE gun.  I run mine about 14 FPE.  The trigger is very good for a 300.00 factory gun.

    I did not like the red dot scope, as I feel it is not precice enough to show off the potential of the gun, even before it was accurized.

    After market barrel, shot from 30 yards.  Corner of paper was sighter shot.  The I moved to try to hit the staple.  The staple was covered by the cross hairs, so I ended up with a group on both sides.  8 shots into 2 holes.

     

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    YmF8M86
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    Quintoona:  Thanks for the advice about those hunting airguns.  All of the ones you mention, though, are more than twice as heavy as the Woods Walker.  Are there any other guns under 3 pounds that would be appropriate?  Seems like the Woods Walker is in a class by itself, but Benjamin is not a premium brand from what I have read….

    JohnL57:   The Woods Walker comes with a scope on it already.  Should I get a different one?   Also, I am somewhat worried about the variation in velocity from 620 to 670 feet per second seen in this report  That would be enough to cause a miss while hunting small game.

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    JimNM
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    Benjamin is one of the best entry level guns.  The Marauder family is easy to set up and easy to modify if you wish.  You could do much worse than the Benjamin line of products.  Your assumptions are all over the map.  A guy’s could spend all day countering your statements, but that would just be my opinion.

    .  There is a whole bunch of good reading here…get comfortable and start doing some due diligence reading.

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    Brian10956
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    “YmF8M86”Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.  I am getting the Marauder and the hand pump tomorrow.  Squirrel seasons ends on November 8, so maybe I will actually be able to get a squirrel before the season ends.  Hopefully the Marauder and a hand pump will be up to the job.

    Most of the squirrels I have seen are in the trees less than 10 yards away.  From what you all have written, I should not need anything too powerful for that.  I am kind of wondering if an air pistol would work.  Maybe something even smaller than the Marauder.

    Brian10956: The Leshiy looks way too difficult to use.  The man in the video has to lie down on his back to use it!

    JohnL57.  There is no way I am going to buy another RWS rifle.  The Magnum 350 was so far away from what I want.  It was too heavy and powerful, and I could not even get the scope on.   The HW95, Beeman R9 also are very heavy and look like clones of the RWS.  Maybe a C02 gun would be the best choice for me, since I am shooting at  close range.  Are there any good C02 guns?  How many shots can you get with them?

    Dirtbikerick:  I looked at Steyr, FX, and Daystate, but I don’t really know if they are appropriate for what I am trying to do, how heavy they are, if they are quiet, accurate, hard to refill, etc.  Thanks for the advice about getting a PCP instead of a springer.  That helps to narrow down the field.  Why do you recommend PCP over springers?   Could you recommend a good scope?  I have no idea what to get.

     

    
The way that guy was shooting on his back was because he has a camera on the gun and needed to keep his distance in order to aim he also has a habit of trying to put a little of his humor in his videos, look on you tube YouTube you can see plenty more videos on the Leshiy the rifle your getting is a good starter rifle, but we are not comparing apples to apples. The Leshiy is in a category by itself. Hopefully you ordered the Marauder from the link on this site and took advantage of the 25% discount. Good luck 
    here is a better video from the store I purchased from

    https://youtu.be/xeDWz0xzf1E

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    Quintoona
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    “YmF8M86”Quintoona:  Thanks for the advice about those hunting airguns.  All of the ones you mention, though, are more than twice as heavy as the Woods Walker.  Are there any other guns under 3 pounds that would be appropriate?  Seems like the Woods Walker is in a class by itself, but Benjamin is not a premium brand from what I have read….

    JohnL57:   The Woods Walker comes with a scope on it already.  Should I get a different one?   Also, I am somewhat worried about the variation in velocity from 620 to 670 feet per second seen in this report  That would be enough to cause a miss while hunting small game.

    
You won’t find any rifles or carbines under 3lbs.   If you’re looking for a super light carry, seems like you found it.  Don’t worry about the  620-670 variation.  For an unregulated gun you have to decide how much variation you can live with and limit your shots to those in that pressure range.  The article lists this as 20 good shots from 2300psi down to 1400 if your gun arrives tuned the same way.  If you only air up to 2300 psi and refill when you get down to 1400, your speed range should be from 650-670fps. (about 3% extreme spread)

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    Deja
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    nothing beats a vulcan for walking around and hunting. Its the lightest of the cz pups and in 22 youll have all the shots youll need.

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    JimNM
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    The next purchase should be a range finder, preferably with angle compensation built in.  Shooting  flat 20 yards is different than shooting 20 yards and 30 feet up.

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    Keyman62421
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    YOU TUBE!!!!!    Watch the air rifle shows.  ALL of them.  there are hundreds.  it is obvious you don’t really know what you’re getting into.   you need to educate your self .   YOU TUBE will get you heading in the right direction along with this forum. 

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    Brian10956
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    “Keyman62421”YOU TUBE!!!!!    Watch the air rifle shows.  ALL of them.  there are hundreds.  it is obvious you don’t really know what you’re getting into.   you need to educate your self .   YOU TUBE will get you heading in the right direction along with this forum. 

    
You are 100% correct I started with a $79 springer within 2 years I have spent close to $10,000.00 on the sport, and I’m not counting non equipment spending. Be ready if the bug hits you. One thing I will say if you can buy good stuff you only have to do it one time. I know some people who started with 3-5 hundred dollar guns that are no longer touched after a day with a quality piece.

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    Hynzie
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    theese guys all gave you great advice,from going through the trials and tribulations of airgunning,,you should be fine with your woods walker ,put a decent scope on it ,it will be more enjoyable ,,hand pumps can be ok if your not shooting hundreds of pellets weekly,i think your tank only charges to 2000psi ? not sure look at joe wayne rheas video on scopes here on the forum there great,,dont forget there are benefits now that you are a forum member  crosman offers a 25 % coupon above and theres others ,,i think you will end up over time like the rest of us ,sucked up into the wonderful world of pcps,,there like chips you cant have just one ,,,pat

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    YmF8M86
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    Hynzie:   What link do you mean on this site to order from?  I ordered from Amazon.  The Woods Walker is $399.   The RWS Magnum 350 I ordered from Pyramyd was $529, although Amazon has it for more than $100 less.  Pyramyd says they will give first time orderers a 10% discount, but I didn’t get any discount. Seems like the basic rule is that noobs pay full price for everything.

    Keyman62421:  What air rifle shows are you talking about?

    Quintoona:  Great advice about the refilling pressure.  20 good shots should be enough to get some squirrels, hopefully.   I liked the idea of the Daystate Pulsar, because it keeps the pressure constant.  But it is too heavy to take into the woods.  I also didn’t know if it is meant for hunting at all, or just target shooting.

    Deja:  Are you talking about the Vulcan Bull Pup Gen 4?  That weighs 6.4 pounds.
     

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    Keyman62421
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    Ted’s holdover ,Matt dubber, air GUN web TV ,  AOA, Pyramyd Air, I can’t start to list them all just type in air guns and get out of the way

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    YmF8M86
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    Keyman62421:  Do you mean Youtube Channels?  I really don’t know how those work, to tell you the truth.  But I will look into it, thanks.

    Hynzie:  I finally found the 25% discount you were talking about.  I missed it because I had an adblocker turned on in my browser.  But it turns out that Crosman marks everything up by 25% on their website, so with the 25% discount coupon, you get the same price as Amazon has.  Whew.

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    spysir
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    The crosman/benjamin pistol will be great esp. compared to the MAGNUM springer you tried ( which had to be dieseling badly ).

    For your range tune it down to 12fpe or so, plenty of shots, likely a better shot curve – you do have a chrony right ? – and all the power you need for Squirrel out to 50 yards, if you do your part.  Pumping will be a breeze.

    I would think the “link” mentioned is on this page:
    http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/quick-links-to-our-sponsors/?view=all
    and crosman sometimes adds to the 25% off with free shipping or bundles. I used it for the .22 maximus package w/scope + under $180 to the door, thanks AGN and crosman.

    I am thinking the marauder pistol has nothing really inside the shroud ( poor stripper and nothing else?) but at 12-14fpe it will be just fine. The 1720T does uses a slightly better air stripper and baffles that will fit your new rig if desired.

    As close as your range is you might look at a “bug buster” scope or such , just my opinion but the pistol is MUCH more accurate that the included sight.

     Have a tin of JSB pellets around?

    John

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    YmF8M86
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    Spysir:  I do not have a chrony, nor do I even know what that is.   I bought a tin of 18.13 grain pellets from JSB, called the JSB Match Diabolo.  They are lead.  I am not sure if I should use those for hunting or not.  I also bought a tin of 14.5 grain RWS Superdomes.  I don’t know what those are made of, or if they are for hunting or not.

    I do not know what the shroud is, or a stripper.  Or baffles for that matter.  I don’t know what you mean by a “bug buster”.  I don’t understand what you mean when you say the pistol is more accurate than the included sight.

    Thanks for your help.

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    intenseaty22
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    “YmF8M86”Intenseaty22:  Thanks for your advice regarding springers versus PCPs.  The guns you list are all target guns.  The Pulsar is to die for, but I wonder if it is powerful enough to shoot squirrels?  The guy in this video is just doing target practice, and the gun is 8.2 pounds.  Seems unnecessarily heavy for squirrel hunting.  Are PCPs powerful enough for squirrel hunting?

    Thanks for the advice about the scope.

    
Not so on the target guns. Yes, some of them make fine target guns. But ALL the guns I listed are fine hunting guns. Yes, any one of these will kill squirrels all day long. If I would have followed all the advice I was given at the beginning, I would have saved a lot of $ and frustration (but I have learned a lot, and have had fun doing it, so enjoy the ride) Definitely look into YouTube, sound advice. The Leshie, Vulcan, Cricket, or Taipan May be what you need. 

    These were taken with my Cricket Mini Carbine. All at 20-30 yards.
     

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    intenseaty22
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    It is normal to not know any of these terms. Stick around, read, watch YouTube, play with your WW, it will all make sense soon enough. 

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    Brian10956
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    “YmF8M86”Hynzie:   What link do you mean on this site to order from?  I ordered from Amazon.  The Woods Walker is $399.   The RWS Magnum 350 I ordered from Pyramyd was $529, although Amazon has it for more than $100 less.  Pyramyd says they will give first time orderers a 10% discount, but I didn’t get any discount. Seems like the basic rule is that noobs pay full price for everything.

    Keyman62421:  What air rifle shows are you talking about?

    Quintoona:  Great advice about the refilling pressure.  20 good shots should be enough to get some squirrels, hopefully.   I liked the idea of the Daystate Pulsar, because it keeps the pressure constant.  But it is too heavy to take into the woods.  I also didn’t know if it is meant for hunting at all, or just target shooting.

    Deja:  Are you talking about the Vulcan Bull Pup Gen 4?  That weighs 6.4 pounds.
     

    
It’s in the changing banner at the top of the page. If you go to Crosman.com and use the code agnation at check out you get 25% off your order. If you can find it for less elseware great then your a good shopper. I just didn’t want you to pay list price like you have to when you buy the expensive brands that charge a lot.

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