Need your springer advice!!

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Well, I finally decided to be undecided!! Lmao!! After being set and ready to order a tx200 in .177, I was told by a CS guy from pyramyd that they were having quality issues with AA spring guns and he recommended holding off my purchase. A fellow forum member had an issue with the HW30 which was another gun I was ready to buy and again, alittle gun shy to make the purchase.

Overall, I am spoiled with the FWB 300S. Though it doesn't make much power, it is just an amazing rifle that is of the utmost quality. Even my old BSA supersport shines in the quality department compared to most of what is being sold today. I also have a very rare Diana 70 that is pure quality in a youth springer. While I really wanted to add some springers to my collection, I am going to wait on a nice FWB 124 or something along that line. I was really interested in the new FWB sport even though it is one of the most expensive springers available, but as impressive as the 300 is, I thought it has to be a winner. Unfortunately, reviews are not all that great and again makes it evident that the quality of old is no longer.

I greatly appreciate all the input and value everyone's opinions. I am just a bit disappointed in the level of quality of today's airguns.

I instead decided to buy some fun backyard plinkers for my wife and kids along with a new Hill MK4 for a backup to my Tanks and compressor for pcp filling. I just bought a few new firearms, so thought I would spoil the family alittle since I couldn't find what I wanted in the springer market.
 
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Hang on, because a fellow forum member had an issue with a HW30S, so you decided to hold off that purchase? Based on one person who claims he has an issue? Hmmkay... Other option is have Joe look for a FWB300 Sporter or Universal and let him do his magic on it. Fun guaranteed with those babies! But you already know that. ;) 
 
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JonnesHang on, because a fellow forum member had an issue with a HW30S, so you decided to hold off that purchase? Based on one person who claims he has an issue? Hmmkay... Other option is have Joe look for a FWB300 Sporter or Universal and let him do his magic on it. Fun guaranteed with those babies! But you already know that. ;)
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That one person is one of the most respected springer guys on this forum and his issue plus another are not out of the ordinary for the HW30.

It really comes down to there is nothing on the market that my current guns can't already do and probably do it better. It is that simple. As many airguns as I have recently sold, I still have a rather large collection and just can't justify spending money on something that doesn't gain me anything and quality isn't what it used to be regardless of brand. And, at the end of the day, I will probably still pickup a pcp over a springer no matter how hard I try not too!!
 
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LOL Joe. ;) :p 
"ajshoots"
That one person is one of the most respected springer guys on this forum and his issue plus another are not out of the ordinary for the HW30.

It really comes down to there is nothing on the market that my current guns can't already do and probably do it better. It is that simple. As many airguns as I have recently sold, I still have a rather large collection and just can't justify spending money on something that doesn't gain me anything and quality isn't what it used to be regardless of brand. And, at the end of the day, I will probably still pickup a pcp over a springer no matter how hard I try not too!!
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It's still one (maybe two) person(s) who had an experience with a rifle. Not really representative if you ask me. But it's your decision mate, I'm just thinking out loud. My point being, you can always find something negative about everything. On the other hand, you have the crème de la crème when it comes to springers, PCP's are fun also, but I've had it up to here with dragging that diving bottle everywhere all the time. That's why the only PCP I have left is the FX Independence. Everything else went out the backdoor and got replaced by well built springers (and a gas ram). Shooting all day, and working out at the same time. It just doesn't get any better than that.

So what kind of boom-stick did you end up buying?
 
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Actually, the HW30 issue seems to be the more recent manufactured guns and those issues are more than one or two people. That is based on reports by 2 major retailers.

This is just my opinion, but I can't find a springer or springers that I honestly feel are better than what I currently have. Yes, the modern day lack of quality is my biggest driving factor. But, already having guns that are super accurate doesn't help.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy springer and I am not bad mouthing them. I am just not impressed with today's quality. If guns were still built just like the old classics I have or have had, I would buy a few more no questions asked.

I work in an industry that continually improves quality and innovates. We have no choice, or people will die!! I know guns can be built to the same high quality standards they used too, but the modern business model is less quality to maximize profits.

And, my new powder purchases were a PMR-30, another S&W Shield 9, and another Beretta Xtrema 2.
 
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JoeWayneRheaAARON BARTHOLOMEW HUMPERDINK !! You wash your mouth out !! PCP ?? Wtf. Lol.
I was talking with a guy last night and honestly to me when it comes to springers vs PCP it's a little like Lever action rifles vs Modern bolt action guns ....Both are similar , but ones a far more effective machine e .
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That first paragraph is hilarious!! You one funny MFer!! LOL!!
 
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Berretta rocks! Nice handguns by the way! I'm more of a 1911 fan myself, I've been shooting 1911's for decades now. Anything else just doesn't feel right. Feels like cheating some how. ;) 

I agree with you about the manufacturing standards these days. Profit over quality is something that will eventually bite these manufacturers in the but. Diana has been bought by GSG for instance. The first rifles that left the factory after they moved the plant had quality issues. Now that was a brand you could rely on in the past. Hope it's just a temporary thing, because without that reputation and quality, you may just as well buy a Gammo for half the money. Seems Weihrauch is going the same direction then. Shame... Do you know what the issues are by the way? I haven't heard anything on this side of the Atlantic puddle about production problems with Weihrauch. 
 
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I enjoy 1911's, but most of my pistol purchases these day are for carry guns(concealed carry) thus the desire for compact and sub compact designs.

The 2 HW30 issues were pivot bushings and detent springs. My understanding is the HW50 and above already have better bushings and detent springs, but they are not used on the 30. Supposedly the bushings have been upgraded on new 30's, but there is no designation on the gun to note that. I am also unsure if America gets the exact same guns as the rest of the world?
 
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The galling issues on the HW30s is well-documented. It's something owners just deal with, because the rest of the gun is so nice. I read of one guy wearing out his detent spring after 30 years. I'm not sure I would call that an issue, really. Bushings, I haven't read about that problem. Galling is the biggy.

TX200 quality issue, I'd be interested to hear more about that. Mine was quite buzzy when firing it and the screws loosened up on me twice. The first time, I didn't wait for it to cure overnight before shooting it again. (my fault) The second time, blue loctite held fine. (at least until I put the 12 FPE Vortek kit in it) Never had any problems yet. So I wouldn't call that a quality issue, they just are trying to make it as powerful as possible for us Yankees and didn't put any kind of vibration dampening measures in.

Still, to pass on these guns for some used FWB's is understandable. They will probably have that old school quality you're after, but may also have some used gun issues that rear their heads later.

Manufacturers these days just need to take their time in finishing the guns and build in some anti-vibration means. I think Walther is doing this now.

I'm going to tear into my HW30s for the first time in this coming week, and I'll post here what I find, as far as galling is concerned. Mine's recent production; only 4 years old. Probably only 1000-1500 shots through it too.
 
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@Smaug; it's all a matter of taste I guess, but there's a LOT of wood on the FWB300S stock you can work with, make it into something that suites you more. I've seen people do amazing things with it. Or you can get custom stocks for it, there are even after market AICS stocks if you're more into that. Galling issues on the HW30S, I don't have it on mine and it's also pretty recent. I believe I have it 2, 3 years tops now and cleaned it immediately after I purchased it and I would have noticed that, and trust me, I would have. Could be an issue with export guns, or a specific series, I don't know. But I worked on a HW30S from a friend of mine who bought it a couple of weeks ago, and also no gallig issues, dented springs or any other problems.

@ajshoots; we're not allowed to carry here in Europe, but if I had to, I would probably go for a CC 1911 or some light weight polymer for sure. A full-size 1911 a lot of weight to carry around all day. 

The quality of the internals of the FWB300 series is amazing. Mine shote over half a million pellets down range in almost 40 years, and the insides looked like it came out of the factory yesterday. Those things are built to last. Back then, the Germans knew how to make extremely good quality stuff.

Oh, by the way, this is what another guy did with his FWB300S. I think it looks quite amazing!

http://s232.photobucket.com/user/mhoref/media/AR/DCP_2448.jpg.html
 
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Have you also considered the Walther LGV and LGU Varmint? Those are some pretty nice springers, too. A friend of mine owns the LGV in .177 and its accuracy really impressed the hell out of me. Not only the accuracy but also the consistency and smooth shooting. It doesn´t even feel like a springer. It is so smooth that I could swear it is a gas ram and that thing shot with a spread of no more than 7 fps... again and again and again. 760 fps with 8.4 gr JSBs, lowest 757, highest 764.

I have to honestly admit that I have no idea how good/bad these rifles are with servicing but so far, I haven´t heard or read about any breakdown or significant issues with the relatively complicated mechanism. 
 
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"mcdonama"Another vote for the HW30S. Mine is a deluxe.

try this gun with a peep sight. A lot of fun this way and given the limited range of a rifle that shoot about 700 fps (that with a 8.2 gr pellet) a scope is not really a necessity.

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Mine doesn't shoot anywhere near that. Mine shoots about 630 fps with a 7.3 gr. pellet. You got a powerful one!
 
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The HW98 has been mentioned, but no one has mentioned an HW97k. Both worthy of consideration in this discussion. You really should, considering you were looking at the AA. I have two 97's produced years apart and they are both consistent, reliable accurate springers. A home tune to smooth out any factory edges and they are superb. Or if you require open sights, look at the HW77.
 
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