Need more powerful springer/gas piston

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Mad-Trapper

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Hello all, new member here.

I have shot bbs/pellets many years. Started with a slingshot, then a Red Ryder ,then some early Crossmans ,and Gamos. 

Also RF 22s and high power CF rifles and shotguns.

If I had ever got on Dennis's list I'd have a Quackenbush now, no luck, yet.

I need to get rid of woodchucks too close to use cartridge guns. 

I've shot really good shooting springers. I see as the main reason most see them as inaccurate: recoil/no practice/ammo. I can can do <2" at 35 yds with a Gamo 177, off hand. 

My CF rifles < a dime at 200 yds on a sand bag (.222 rem, 06, 300 win mag). 

Strange springer recoil is not an issue. It took me a while to get used to springers/strange recoil, even after centerfires/shotguns. Practice is your friend

Same as with a 12ga slug or 300 Win Mag just hard kicks. M14/M1A have a strange recoil sort of like a springer. A match M1A will do < MOA but it takes some practice.

I am looking for a 25 cal springer/gas piston, that will do woodchucks to ~30 yds, small stuff to ~50 yds. Limited to $300-400 right now, good opens are O.K., I don't really need a scope but a package is a plus. I can can hit beer cans at 100yds with my Browning 22 LR w/opens.

Thinking Benjamin Trail XP NP. But I have heard them denigrated? Bad gun or bad shooters?

Suggestions?/ All are welcome
 
One more thing.

I've shot traditional BP ML rifles many years now. REAL BP , no suppository "bullets". The ones that have a "tampax" shell.

A bigger chuck of lead, going a bit slower, is a better hunting round. Than a fast one that don't hit where aimed.

Most important is hitting the vitals, and a clean kill. No game suffering, and no waste of food/meat, or the rest fur/skins.
 
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Nay,I think you need to rethink what you need....think about this... a PCP,.something like a Benjamin Discovery....and get a hand pump,..now .that fits your budget and may be a better option...more power and more range...check it out and see if it "might" be better,if not so be it.

BTW,I have a .22 rim fire that is quiet enough to shoot in my backyard...got a fat,long barrel...a Mauser model 45...I use that when I have to....with .22 subsonic....pop....


 
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id definitely be looking at a pcp.



for the price you could get a seneca aspen/nova freedom,

and have more power,better accuracy than a springer.



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My Moms place in mASSachusetts. Shoot a cartridge and go to jail..... Too close to other houses. No crowbar hotel for me.



My little Belgian Browning take down used to be the go to rifle there.
 
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I'm open to pcp options. I don't like the idea of needing a pump. Or having to pump it up on short notice. I've taken chucks with my Gamos but short bow ranges, but they didn't just drop.

If I got back into practice I'd just use my bow. I don't have the time, used to shoot 100 arrows every day. Maybe I should. 

At my Moms in mASS, you can't even have a cartridge gun handy if needed. Has to be locked up .......or you get locked up

I have a TC Renegade ML/BP I leave there, in 50 cal w/375gr hornday/80gr FFg, ready to go, just needs a cap. Have had bear problems.
 
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I'm open to pcp options. I don't like the idea of needing a pump. Or having to pump it up on short notice. I've taken chucks with my Gamos but short bow ranges, but they didn't just drop.

If I got back into practice I'd just use my bow. I don't have the time, used to shoot 100 arrows every day. Maybe I should. 

At my Moms in mASS, you can't even have a cartridge gun handy if needed. Has to be locked up .......or you get locked up

I have a TC Renegade ML/BP I leave there, in 50 cal w/375gr hornday/80gr FFg, ready to go, just needs a cap. Have had bear problems.
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I got a nice 22 cal marauder combo deal for sale if interested, would also consider throwing in my nice fx hand pump as well for a little more. Gets a good 40 shots on a 3000 psi fill, easy to fill up. Slings 18.13gr at 750 and 15.89’s at 820 fps



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As you can see its quite accurate with jsb 22 cal pellets (30 yards) I have taken so many groundhogs with this thing I lost count :)
 
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I'm open to pcp options. I don't like the idea of needing a pump. Or having to pump it up on short notice. I've taken chucks with my Gamos but short bow ranges, but they didn't just drop.

If I got back into practice I'd just use my bow. I don't have the time, used to shoot 100 arrows every day. Maybe I should. 

At my Moms in mASS, you can't even have a cartridge gun handy if needed. Has to be locked up .......or you get locked up

I have a TC Renegade ML/BP I leave there, in 50 cal w/375gr hornday/80gr FFg, ready to go, just needs a cap. Have had bear problems.
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Thats not a problem. If you just mainly hunt with it you will get over 20 shots on a single fill so just keep it topped off or close to it and you will never miss a shot due to low air. A smaller cylinder pcp that runs on lower air pressure like the discovery would be a huge leap forward for you over springers and be cheaper than a quality springer to boot. I think that would be a good choice for what youre needing.
 
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I bought 2 Benjamin .25 NP gun a while back.One for my brother and one for me. I was we first dissapointed in the accuracy dept but we were persistent and finally figured out how to shoot it accurate enough for vermin shooting out to about 60 yards 

I believe the JSB Heavies were the pellet that finally worked and a lot of pellets through the barrel until it finally settled in. 



Once I got into PCP shooting the .25 rarely gets bought out as the PCP is so accurate you go from body shots to head shots on vermin in the yard.
 
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