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Also, a great way to attract unwanted attention from the BATF.

Anything that is a large caliber "full automatic" is certainly going to be examined by the Feds. Offering a .25 caliber pcp, full auto airgun WILL come back to haunt us.

My advice...don't buy the full auto. Fun to shoot once or twice, but after that...what do you do with it? We don't have "human wave" attacks by raccoons, rats, or unwanted birds.

Let's us some common sense, or we will pay the price when we have airguns that are equal, in close range, to the killing power of full auto powder burners!!!! Remember "Bumpfire"???

You say ".25 caliber won't attract attention" Let's remember the Japanese army fought an entire war with .25 caliber rifles, carbines, and machine guns!!!



Further, we DO NOT have Second Amendment protection!!! That leaves any government law enforcement agency free to demand limits/restrictions/laws prohibiting power, shot count capability, and caliber. Look at Illinois...it's already illegal to own an airgun with a caliber larger than.17, and velocity higher than 700 fps. Wake up!!! It's not only possible, it's already had the precedent set....

Below is the link to what we may expect nation-wide if the airgun industry continues to approach form and function of powder burning firearms:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt%2E+24%2E8&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=72700000&SeqEnd=73500000
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I really want to give you a hug. That was the smartest thing I have read in quite some time. Gold star for you, Sir
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Ditto!
 
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sorry for the late reply. I talked to huben about this company as well, and they said that they were aware of this violation of their patents and were doing what they could to address it, which might explain their absence from IWA.

As for how the mechanism was upgraded to full auto, this is rather easy. It could be as simple as stopping the travel of the trigger at a precise point. Just after it has disengaged the sear, the little lever on the trigger is slid upwards, which allows it to continue up and over the secondary sear. (I am just making up the terminology as best I can) If the trigger is not allowed to continue backwards after it has been lifted up, it will be able to block the return of the secondary sear, preventing it from catching the main sear. How do I know? I was actually designing a trigger system based on this concept of disconnection of the trigger and saw this ability as a flaw. 
 
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Semi-Auto in a pellet rifle I can go for. However a machine gun, no real need or desire on my part. It is fun to shoot full auto , but pellets are expensive & why would I want to wear out an expensive PCP rifle in FA. Now I must admit I do enjoy shooting my airsoft FA, it is cheap to shoot & bounces cans around. That is all I would use a full auto PCP rifle for. Maybe a full auto bb gun, yeah. Just my opinion & not condemning OP for what they enjoy.
 
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Might be a lot of fun, if it WORKS. Practical? Doesn't seem so but that's just me. Selectable for semi-auto would certainly seem to make it more "usable", again IF IT WORKS. Regulation concerns arising from this? Possibly no more than many other now readily available larger caliber higher energy air guns. All of these "advancements" in air guns could cause issues around regulation if the right "legislator" focuses on them. Or not.

Would I consider buying one if it WORKS and if it is accurate in semi-auto. Probably.
 
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Spider92 said:
I have also received almost the same answer, I also had a post about a similar product, I also asked them about the relationship between them but did not have an answer. Let's wait to see if they will appear at IWA in March?
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''Hu.. Hu what?'' That's exactly what a thief would say. Their full auto Is slower than manual rapid fire. If they were to give huben credit and just say they improved on it by making it more tactical and a bigger air bottle, fair enough. But this is so low, even for a chinese company.
Their ''full auto'' is a cam that rotates and keeps pressing and releasing the trigger internally and very slowly at that.

I feel like I need to clarify this to everyone; their fake auto is not at all related to the hammerless system. It is done in the, and at the detriment of the trigger system.
Not a huben loyalist and would buy a copy if it were made well and improved upon, but this gun is weaker and the whole lack of recognition disgusts me.
 
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Liam said:
sorry for the late reply. I talked to huben about this company as well, and they said that they were aware of this violation of their patents and were doing what they could to address it, which might explain their absence from IWA.

As for how the mechanism was upgraded to full auto, this is rather easy. It could be as simple as stopping the travel of the trigger at a precise point. Just after it has disengaged the sear, the little lever on the trigger is slid upwards, which allows it to continue up and over the secondary sear. (I am just making up the terminology as best I can) If the trigger is not allowed to continue backwards after it has been lifted up, it will be able to block the return of the secondary sear, preventing it from catching the main sear. How do I know? I was actually designing a trigger system based on this concept of disconnection of the trigger and saw this ability as a flaw.
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there are no reciprocating parts in the triggerless systems brother. They just made a rotating part inside the trigger mechanism to keep rotating and release and pull repeatedly. That's why it's very slow. The mechanism you mentioned is used in Hatsan full auto (actual full auto)
There was zero upgrades to the actual hammerless system.
 
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