MTC Viper Pro

According to Ted, it's a great scope, though I wonder how many hours he put into "Setting it up". I suspect quite a few, so just be aware that range time will be absolutely necessary. 

​The calculator to create the tape for your pellet / weight / weight combination is available, but will need to be double checked for accuracy, at the range. (I checked the MTC website this afternoon, and yes, the calculator is available.) I guess it's like automating range cards that some put together to make sure they have the right focus point. I'm also considering one, some time in the future, when I buy my mythical Impact. Still a year or more away from that one.
 
"Ginuwine1969"I'm in the market for a new scope and have been leaning towards the New MTC Viper Pro do you guys have anything thoughts? Ted and Walton says its great but and you can just dial in the distance and call it a day, no hold over required, no math, not charts. Just have to do the set up.
How does that differ from other scopes?

I mean, isn't that what people are doing when they dial in their adjustments (instead of holding over)? I saw that there is some type of proprietary system but I don't really understand what makes it so different. Is it a new type of measurement (I.e. Clicks not in MOA or mils)?

 
the big difference seems to be the turret design. Geared. On a current turret, if the target is distant, you might need to spin the turret a couple revolutions to dial it in. Then you need a doping card and some other stuff to know what to do. 

​Using the geared turret, you never (at least I think, never) go more than one revolution. That way whether it's MOA or MIL doesn't matter (for all I know, it might be neither). You dial to your own personal preset for pellet caliber and weight. I guess it's like a dope card on your scope. Ted complained about losing count of revolutions on the turret, where this one, you don't count, just spin the turret to the predetermined spot on the tape and shoot.

​At around $600, the glass better be very good. IMHO, minimum standards for glass are so high these days, I'm not too worried about the glass. 

I hope that helps, not sure if it will.
 
I have a viper pro 5 x 30 on my FX bobcat which did have Hawke sidewinder 30 on it. The only thing I think it needs is a sun shad and a side wheel this is where the Hawke has an edge on the Viper. Once you set up your turret tape you will always be dead on, at least that's been my experience. Finding your parallax's setting is not as easy as the Hawke for me but the scope for me is a winner.
 
On a long bench rest rifle, the length and weight of this scope shouldn't be an issue. On anything else, it's a tad long and on the heavy side. I also find it confusing after reading the specs. The reticle is MIL however the turrets is MOA? It probably won't matter if you print out your range tape but it's baffles me why the reticle and turrets can't match if you plan to dial for windage.
 
It's clearly meant for target shooting so weight is a non-issue (unless the discipline has weight limits). You aren't going to be dialing in your corrections when hunting and the turret design is what is used to market this scope.

I did some reading on the viper Pro. The design feature they lead with is that the elevation turret has a slot to add your own tape so, instead of being marked 1.2.3.4 etc (or not at all), you can spend some time at the range and mark 50. 70. 100 yards etc on your own custom range tape.

On other scopes I have seen people achieve this by just sticking the tape around the turret with tape but I guess this design looks less unsightly. It's simple but smart.

As long as you aren't paying extra for this instead of glass quality or build quality, I think it's a great idea. I don't like unhelpful markings that don't mean anything without your notes. Being able to turn the turret to 50 yards or 30 yards allows it to be dialed in quicker. It makes more sense and everyone likes more sense. 

I would have used a larger wheel for the corrections tape to allow more precision but, at this price range, maybe it doesn't matter. 
 
I had mine [MTC Viper Pro 5 - 30 x 50] for a while now, and I like it a lot. The main feature I like the most, is of course the "tape", and the geared turret. I would say that overall, this is a really nice scope. However, I am the kind of person that always wants to make things "better" and finds "improvements, so here are my thoughts on it. Please keep in mind, I am by all means no Pro when it comes to scopes... : )

- The scope is nice and heavy. I like that. It shows that it is build well. The finish is also really nice. 

- Mine does not have distances on the parallax dial, but from my understanding, mine is a "pre-production" unit and by now, all Viper Pro's have distances on the dial.

- The flip covers are nice, but, I wish the one in the rear would not have to be screwed on. It makes it awkward when adjusting your eye focus. Sometimes it comes loose, and sometimes it doesn't. Many people also use scope cameras. Having to screw the cover on and off makes it a bit of a pain. It would be much better if the cover would just "snap" on or off. (Kinda like it does on UTG scope). 

- The button for the illumination is hard to press. I wish it would be a dial, like it is on other MTC scopes. However, I heard from others that the button works just fine. Again, mine might be different because it is not a production model.

- The "ring" that allows you to adjust the magnification is a bit of center. What I mean by that is, that the little "knob" that stands out, is not at the 12 o'clock position, but rather at the 11 o'clock position when set to 10x. Being at 12 o'clock would make setting the mag to 10x at night, or low light conditions easier. Even better would be if the "ring" would "snap" into place at the 10x magnification. That way you would not even have to take your eye of the scope. I do change the magnification quiet often when shooting just to get a different POV, and then find myself "searching" for the 10x position again. Especially difficult when shooting out of a dark room into the light. (Not sure if I explained the whole thing correctly? English is not my fist language). 

- Sunshade?! I agree, it needs one. 

About the tape feature...: 

- People use different pellets, different power settings and maybe even different calibers these days. That requires for one to be able to change the "range tape" really fast, or even on the fly. Having to unscrew three tiny little set screws does not help. That is actually the last thing I want to do, when I am out and about. Maybe they can use something other than three tiny set screws?

- Speaking of tape. They should supply more than one "ring" with the scope, so you can make more than one tape. I have a Bobcat Mk2 and I switch between pellets and power settings all the time. Each time I do that, my current tape is useless.

- The range tape "window" is too small. It should be wider and definitely higher. That way you could possibly make a tape that has three different "ranges" on it.

- There is a 1/4 click "lag" or "play" in the top turret. Annoying, but no big deal. I would still to eliminate that though. There are reduction gear boxes that use magnets or even "belts" to have no "lag". That said. I have not tried using their software yet, because the way I do it works for me...:

1. I go the the 100 yard indoor range and Zero the scope at 30 meters.
2. I unscrew the turret dial and take the tape "ring" out and put blue masking tape on it. (The kind of tape painters use). 
3. Then I put the dial back making sure the Zero on it is lined up with the line on the turret.
4. I shoot at 30 meters to see if everything is lineup correctly.
5. I then shoot at different distance in 5 meter increments. 
6. At each distance I put a new mark on the tape using a really fine sharpie. 

Once I set all my "marks" on the tape, the plan was to make a tape that "looks" better. : ) Since the one I use works absolutely great. I never bothered making one that "looks better", ha ha. 

I attached some videos below. Really lame, if you ask me, but who cares, right? : ) The first video shows that the scope "works", ha ha. The second video shows how the reticle looks like... Sorry about it being all tilted. The last video shows how I make the range tape. I put some music over it as I did not want people to hear my commentary, as it was not meant to be made public. : ).

EDIT: I like this tape a lot. I like it because you can use it as a regular scope, AND you can use the geared turret and range tape feature as well. It shows the proof of concept. Does it need some work?! I think so. But considering that this is the first try, it works really well.

Thanks,

Kmd



EDIT: I forgot to mention something important... The plan is to use masking tape to make a master tape, and then measure the distances (in millimeter) between the "marks", or lines I made on it, and then apply those measurement to the "real" tape. The one that does the exact same thing, but looks better... 





 
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Sorry to bring up an old thread but I have a question about the geared turret.

I just received my 3-18x50 today and the elevation turret cap was loose and just spinning freely not moving the gears so I tightened it down with the supplied Allen key. However it came loose again after a short while. How tight should I be screwing that turret down?

Have you other owners had issues with your cap working itself loose over time?

Other than this issue I'm really enjoying the scope. Glass is clear, not too heavy, build quality seems very good.
 
You got some nerve man. Bringing up an old thread again?! What were you thinking?!You better be sorry! LOL. Just kidding... : )

MTC asked me to give them my thoughts on the MTC Viper Pro 5-30x50, and I did. Besides a few other things I am not a big "fan" off, I also mentioned those set screws. In my opinion, they are just too small. They should be bigger. 

That said. My turret cap came loose before as well. I just keep tightening the screws. What I should do is, use a tiny bit of blue (removable) Loctite and be done with it. However, the reason I am not doing it is, that I keep fuzzing around with different range tapes, ha ha. 

As to how tight you have to tighten them, hard to tell "over the internet". Unless you and I had a torque wrench, you just have to go by "feel"...

Kmd
 
"AR"What it also desperately needs is markings to zero the scope...like up and down, left right markings, I get mixed up all the time
Funny you say that, because I told them the same thing! 😊. He then gave me the most helpful and easiest tip! 

Think of it [the turret] as if it was a screw! When you turn it left (looking at it from the top of course), it comes out, or up, and when turning it right, it goes in, or down!

Super easy to remember! Fixed the confusion for me. 😁😁😁