Most questionable use of an airgun I have ever seen.

I think he had to cull the heard, To many bulls, So I am sure this guy paid big money to do it with his air rifle.
Its a win win thing, Looked like a clean kill to me.
I see nothing wrong with this kill,
I would like to know how much money he paid to make the kill,
I got friends that hunt with big powder guns (Hogs) They got exotics and kill any thing as long as they pay for it,,
He said a buffalo was 3000 bucks and they do not get to keep the meat,
Mike

That was as clean a kill as you get with a heart/lung shot. Nothing inhumane about that one. That was admittedly not a hunt I would want to go on but game must be culled. The herd health is important. Winter is when that is done usually.

Would you mind expanding on why the contempt? That was one of the more responsible airgun kills I have seen. It was not a hunt, but a field test in a controlled environment to determine lethality of one of the most powerful .45 big bore airguns to date on elk sized game. They even had back-up powder burners in case the shot wasn't lethal. It would've been no different than taking out bull at a dairy farm. The animal was harvested and eaten not just left out to rot, not to mention was a cull from the herd. The ranch breeds, raises, and sells elk as livestock, and superior quality is their thing which is why they test every member of their herd for tuberculosis and cronic wasting disease, and remove animals with undesirable traits. They sell meat, jerky, dog chews, antlers, even the velvet, all in addition to the trophy hunts which are out in the ranch's 60,000 acres.

The guy doesn't claim to be "hunting". He clearly says they are going to "harvest" a buck out of the guys herd. Not really my style either but I don't see what you are all up in arms about. Last moose I shot didn't go down any faster and I hit him with a 30-06. Looked like a clean kill to me.

Have you ever hunted any larger game before?

cows are $3000 and bulls range from $3500 for spikes up to $18000 for a 401# +
here's thier site
http://www.elk4sale.net/trophy.html

It is obvious that this video brings out the controversies in all of us—me included. This said, the one reoccurring theme which pops into my head when I see this and similar videos, is the impact (no pun intended) on the public. If you ask around, most people think a pellet gun isn't much more than an enhanced BB gun, and I'd like to keep it at that. But big bores? They impart a whole-new thought process to the uninformed. After all, the fed is doing its best to limit our access to all sorts of weapons, and even the uses we wish to put those weapons to. All we need is to get PETA and other left-wingers flapping their lips in opposition. 

Would I call this a "Hunt"? No. But as far as being a humane kill, I don't see much argument there. The original poster of the video wanted to prove what the rifle was capable of, and he did just that. In my opinion (having worked with livestock and exotics pretty much my entire life) it beats the heck out of the stress of capture and a captive bolt to the head from the elks perspective. 

"Alan"It is obvious that this video brings out the controversies in all of us—me included. This said, the one reoccurring theme which pops into my head when I see this and similar videos, is the impact (no pun intended) on the public. If you ask around, most people think a pellet gun isn't much more than an enhanced BB gun, and I'd like to keep it at that. But big bores? They impart a whole-new thought process to the uninformed. After all, the fed is doing its best to limit our access to all sorts of weapons, and even the uses we wish to put those weapons to. All we need is to get PETA and other left-wingers flapping their lips in opposition.

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I see this argument a lot on here and other boards, and while I understand the concern, in the end it just seems so bass akward. You could apply this reasoning to about any modern airgun (i.e. If someone sees a video of a Marauder and realizes it's closer to a .22 in power than a Red Ryder, they're going to freak out and take all of our guns) The internet has been an absolute boon for the airgun community. When I started out in the early to mid 90's, about the only way to get any information what so ever was through Beemans. Now there is an absolute wealth of information out there and it's mostly due to user created content. 
Sure, I worry that at some point modern airguns will be "discovered" by the larger world and there will be a call for further restriction. But then I realize that Black powder, Cross bows, C & R firearms and multiple other categories are MUCH larger markets (with many of them being more powerful than even the best bigbore's) that have been in the public eye for a long time, and yet you don't see some mass call to further regulate/ban them. 

You know if you watched that video and your heart didn't give a little twinge for that bull you'd be one cold SOB. That's what got to Thrumond. It got to me too. I ain't going to watch it twice. It is one of those knee jerk things that happens. You get the same feeling when you go to the stock yards and watch cattle and hogs being slaughtered. Sometimes I think that every person who eats would benefit from being forced to harvest their own food at least one time in their life. It is really easy to think that nothing has to be sacrificed so that we can live the lives we live.

Some folks think that we hunt because we like to kill. I regret every kill. I think any hunter who picks up that lifeless little rag doll that was vibrant and alive just minutes ago regrets that kill. I also think that hunter appreciates his place in nature much more acutely than some Starbucks drinking SJW who skipped his 4:30 class to go catch a burger. If I did not hunt, I would become like that SJW, all attitude, arrogance, and opinion, with zero understanding. I don't want to be that guy so I hunt, and the hunt humbles me.

Ah, well, probably too much philosophy...

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Great points oldspook. I find the older I get the more I feel towards my harvest. When I was a younger hunter shooting an elk or deer gave me a feeling of accomplishment and that great feeling of knowing I filled my own freezer and could feed myself and family. I didnt dwell on the lost life that was needed to feed me but I did have respect for that life. As I get older I still feel all those feelings but now I have a deeper feeling of compassion for the animal. Theres been moments as I get older that I would pass on the shot knowing I will still eat. If I was the younger hunter I wouldnt hesitate to squeeze the trigger on every opportunity. 

The video in question is a clean kill. I dont think of it as a hunt and it sounds like they didnt make it out to be either. I dont see anything moraly wrong with the harvest and its no different than a slaughter house and some would argue its much better than the slaughter house. 

Reminds me of and really is no different than the millions of hunters that hunt over feeders. I've done it in Texas and its the normal way of hunting private land that has multiple hunters at one time out on the deer lease. Each hunter normally has "their" own feeder and blind or tree stand setup. In most cases the leases are not large enough for the hunters to go walking about and doing some spot and stalk type hunting without screwing up one of the other hunters chances. With archery gear the shots are 20-25yds which is really a chip shot for a $800-1500 bow with all the gadgets and the hunter has some competency. Personally I prefer spot and stalk in the sand hills of SE New Mexico and Elk in the Southern end of the Rocky Mtns in NM. My best hunting memories have come from successful and unsuccessful attempts at bagging a Muley using this method but then again we have millions of public acres to hunt as well.
Jimmy 

I may not be the most sentimental of hunters, but it always confounded me why someone would kill something they had absolutely no intention of eating. I know of many duck hunters like this. I've killed hundreds if not thousands of squirrels, it still makes me feel bad if I run one over with my car. The disconnect with where food comes from is strange, you'd think people would all be vegetarians as sensitive as they seem to be. Give them an ax and a chicken and see if they still want their chicken nuggets for dinner... 

"Auronotcs"it always confounded me why someone would kill something they had absolutely no intention of eating.

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Squirrels can be very destructive pests. We had lots of them around our 2 acre wooded lot. The last straw was when I heard a ruckus in my car one day. I shook and banged on the car and the ruckus continued. I finally popped the hood and a squirrel was sitting right on top of my engine. After reading about people spending thousands of dollars on new wiring harnesses due to this problem I decided that was it. They got into the attic once before and chewed some wire up there. They dig holes in the yard, tear up the wife's flower pots, raid the bird feeders, chew on stuff...etc. I had a pumper that was effective at short range but then I got the Diana 34. We don't have a squirrel problem any more. We've eaten some but that's not the primary reason for killing them. I love nature and all living creatures but sometimes you have to draw a line. When the wife screams about a spider in the house, I capture it and release it outside. I've been bitten by a black widow spider, twice, but I don't kill them when I see them. I have no problem with hunting as long as it is for providing food, pest control or invasive species control.

Hello All,

At the beginning of the video they show him filling his air rifle. Can someone tell me what is the attachment (regulator) he is using that is attached to the air tube. He seems to be using it to determine the air capacity of his rifle air tube. It looks to be a Ninja Regulator . . . model type and #, does anyone know for sure?

FredSG

Thurmond,

I did not mean to hijack this thread. My apology.

Thanks for your reply, but I am only referring to the accessory that was attached to the rifle air tube. He disconnected it from the rifle air tube and placed it back on his case. It was a separate accessory that was also disconnected from the tank air hose. I was just wondering if I could use that accessory on my rifle that does not have a gauge to indicate the air psi of my rifle's air tube as I fill it up from my Guppy.

Thanks for your reply and for taking the time to post.

FredSG

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"Auronotcs"it always confounded me why someone would kill something they had absolutely no intention of eating.

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Squirrels can be very destructive pests. We had lots of them around our 2 acre wooded lot. The last straw was when I heard a ruckus in my car one day. I shook and banged on the car and the ruckus continued. I finally popped the hood and a squirrel was sitting right on top of my engine. After reading about people spending thousands of dollars on new wiring harnesses due to this problem I decided that was it. They got into the attic once before and chewed some wire up there. They dig holes in the yard, tear up the wife's flower pots, raid the bird feeders, chew on stuff...etc. I had a pumper that was effective at short range but then I got the Diana 34. We don't have a squirrel problem any more. We've eaten some but that's not the primary reason for killing them. I love nature and all living creatures but sometimes you have to draw a line. When the wife screams about a spider in the house, I capture it and release it outside. I've been bitten by a black widow spider, twice, but I don't kill them when I see them. I have no problem with hunting as long as it is for providing food, pest control or invasive species control.

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