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    Ghostranger169
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    FX Crown MK1 with 700mm Superior Heavy in Chassis shooting (sorted).217 KnockOuts at 890 fps.

     

    I shot 4 of Mike N's 50 yard cards this evening in calm conditions. The 1st and 2nd cards were .217(sorted) KOs. For the 3rd card, I switched barrels to 380mm barrel with pellet A liner and switched scopes to shoot JSB 18g at 880 fps for comparison. I then switched back barrels and scopes and shot the 4th card with KOs using the original set up.

    I'm not sure either set up(or the shooter) is precise enough to do really well in 50 yard BR:

     

     

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    qball
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    nice shooting!!! That's 1/2 minute of sparrow any day of the week. However you do have the unfair advantage of being much closer to the target with that lance of a barrel, you need to move back another couple of yards and re-do the test. 😜

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    Ghostranger169
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    qball, 

    I know, right? Hell, if I can't shoot'em, I'll swat them outta the air with that damn "broomstick"😂😂

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    scotton
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    2nd card shows some promise. Looks like my 25 yard cards.

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    thomasair
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    50 is hard.  Those aren’t too bad…some 240s in there. Those slugs should move around .150” per mph or so.  Perceived calm can be tough since it’s pretty hard to feel wind under 3 mph.  2 mph will put you off the 10 pretty easy.  You have to be hyper vigilant on the flag tails when it’s light.  The vanes won’t be responsive enough to tell you a whole lot in near calm.  

    Do you enjoy shooting at 50y?

    Mike 
     

     

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    Ghostranger169
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    Mike,

    Thanks for the encouragement. I'm not sure about 50 yard yet. It is trickier than I thought. Most of my focus has been on longer distances. There is probably good bit of "dialing in" that I need to do. I should probably be more patient with it. It seems like it was a little easier/better scoring in windier conditions with the slugs? It was calm, but the temp was dropping pretty quickly too. May have been a factor. I don't know. I'll try to incorperate more 50 yard into my shooting. It's a lot less walking back and forth to the targets(LOL).

    Phil

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    thomasair
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    50 can be conquered.  If you have your equipment in top shape and you do everything  right….you will get 250s.  You will need to be able to read minute changes in the wind.  That skill will help you in almost every other type of shooting competition.

    100 cannot be conquered with pellets.  If you have your equipment in top shape and you do everything right…that will get you in the 230s in light to medium conditions.  Sometimes you’ll be in the 240s or the 220s in the same conditions and you won’t be able to tell any difference in why that happened.  The hose technique will get you the top scores at 100…. but that skill won’t be useful in any other type of competitive shooting event.  

    Two completely different games.

    Mike

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    bluebaby
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    What is the hose technique? Sorry if this is a stupid question or is that some sarcasm on your part?

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    bluebaby

    What is the hose technique? Sorry if this is a stupid question or is that some sarcasm on your part?

    Spray and pray I think he's referring to. Get as many downrange before the wind changes as possible. Like a water hose. 

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    bluebaby
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    Ahhh…I figured it was something like that.  Although that does seem slightly exaggerated it does feel like that sometimes. 

     

    Happy New Year @franklink, welcome back. We missed you!

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    Agree that it's a misnomer.  

    Also gotta say that getting a lot of accurate shots downrange QUICKLY is a very impressive skill. Guys like Tom Adams in the speed silhouette challenge have put some time into that. Oh, looky there, another shooting discipline where lots of accurate shots quickly is a useful skill. 

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    thomasair
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    Its what works for me at 100.  All of my best cards have been shot in about 4 minutes single load.  

    With a magazine it would probably be much faster and better.

    Mike 

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    thomasair
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    It’s not spray and pray…it’s more like how a machine gun with tracers works.

    Mike 

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    Ghostranger169

    Thanks for the encouragement. I'm not sure about 50 yard yet. It is trickier than I thought. Most of my focus has been on longer distances. There is probably good bit of "dialing in" that I need to do. I should probably be more patient with it. It seems like it was a little easier/better scoring in windier conditions with the slugs? It was calm, but the temp was dropping pretty quickly too. May have been a factor. I don't know. I'll try to incorperate more 50 yard into my shooting. It's a lot less walking back and forth to the targets (LOL).

    Good shooting Phil…  In real world conditions such as at Rio Salado in Phoenix, your current cards would be winners.  The past two years that 50Y was shot at EBR, the winning scores were 678 in 2019, and 707 in 2018 (over 100 shooters both years).  I'd love to see someone shoot over 720 with pellets in the type of conditions we see at that range…  That would be some truly inspired shooting and wind reading skills.  

    As far as 100 yards, shooting some shots fast seems to work best, but shooting the entire card rapid fire brings in the possibility of some 4's or 5's since the wind at most ranges is rarely consistent for an entire 4 or 5 minute period.  I've found that shooting a row (5 shots) quickly and then pausing to check wind consistency, then shooting another row when ready seems to work best for me…

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    Thanks for the input guys. Probably like just like anything: the more ya do it, the more ya learn(and better ya get, hopefully). More 50 BR shooting will bring more perspective for sure. I'm gonna try to shoot 50 yard cards every week with slugs and pellets(like I am doing with the 100 yard slugs) to see if performance is consistent over time. 

    Regards, Phil

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    Phil….I’m not familiar with the bore and groove dimensions of the FX barrels.  In the LW barrels….slugs like the 217 KO are just riding on the lands.  They can often go a long time between cleanings.  That may not be the case for the FX.  

    Are you cleaning much?  How much lead do you see on the patches when you do clean?

    I didn’t see if you were using any lube?

    Some of my barrels like wax, and some light silicone oil.  None will go very long before throwing fliers without some sort of lube.

    Mike.

     

     

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    Mike, 

    The 700mm Superior Heavy liner I have in mine is a 1:16(verified with rod and tight patches. The "new" Superior liners from FX don't get dirty near as fast as the older STX liners. I cleaned it when I first got it, then shot a couple hundred pellets and about 100 NSAs, and 2 tins(400) of Knockouts before I cleaned it again. 1st one ballistol patchworm patch pull thru which came out black with a few lead shavings. Then a ballistol patch with a felt pellet patchworm pull thru came out dark grey with fewer lead shavings. Another patch with felt pellet came out light grey with no shavings. Last patch with felt pellet came out white with a few grooves of light grey. Then pulled thru a dry patch which came out white with a wet spot or two of light grey. I've had to use 10 or more pull thrus on old STX liners just shooting pellets after 2 tins of JSB 18g pellets.

    I didn't really notice any accuracy problems, but I wanted to get an idea of cleaning frequency because I've "heard " slugs like clean barrels. The next cleaning was similar after 3 tins(600) of only Knockout slugs. Takes about 5 to 10 slugs to get the liner stable again. It went back to shooting like before. It may prefer a liner to be a little dirtier? Maybe I'll let it go for a while. 

    I don't clean or lube the KOs, but I do sort by diameter because I see an obvious difference if too small or large in diameter. Weight differences don't seem to make much of a difference in accuracy. I would prefer to shoot NSAs because they are waaay more consistent and are prelubed as well, but I haven't found one which has better accuracy than sorted KOs.

    Phil

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    Yes…I never had any luck getting any of the NSA to outshoot the KOs….and really never had a lot of consistent luck with the KOs at 50y.  I could have a 249 followed by a 229 in similar conditions.

    The KOs are made with a split die just like pellets…so they are often not round just like most pellets.  I had a sleeve of KOs that measured .217ish in one direction and over .220” 90 degrees from the 1st position. 

    Mike 
     

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    Ghostranger169

    Thanks for the input guys. Probably like just like anything: the more ya do it, the more ya learn(and better ya get, hopefully). More 50 BR shooting will bring more perspective for sure. I'm gonna try to shoot 50 yard cards every week with slugs and pellets(like I am doing with the 100 yard slugs) to see if performance is consistent over time. 

    Regards, Phil

    Phil

    FWIW – I have been doing the same thing. Every range session now has some 50 yard scoring or group shooting incorporated in my time spent at the range.  

    Background – Began shooting casual 100 yard BR early in 2019.  I average two 3-hour range outings per week at my local gun club.  I have really enjoyed the virtual EBR 75 and 100 yard challenges set up by Mike B and Bobby C.  Also shoot the monthly NUAH ( nothing under a hundred) challenges over on GTA.  The NUAH is a “cherry pick” best card monthly event, but it is a blast and considerably easier than the EBR challenges. I did much better on the NUAH challenges than EBR, but both are fun for different reasons. 

    I normally shoot BR with my RAW HM1000x .22 HP with MRDs and my DS Safari Redwolf .22 HP.  Both guns need a cleaning after about 100-125 rounds.  I almost always have two or three patches with lead sediments and normally a total of six patches and the barrel is clean. The KOs seem to dirty the barrel more quickly than pellets.  High velocity and soft lead requires more cleaning, for me anyway. 

    Shot my first 9.5 Lockdown in 2020; very humbling.  Wind got me and had a 189 at 100y and a 212 at 75 yards.  Twenty nine degrees and I totally choked.  Best 100 yard card thus far is a 222 and had several 230+ cards at 75 yards.  My Safari did shoot several 100 yard 230 cards, but it was shot by a much better experienced shooter – Bobby C.  So, I know the gun can shoot but I have a ways to go at 100 yards, loooong ways. 😀

    Given the above and for the last several outings,  I have moved back to 50 yards to try and learn reading my basic wind flags and experimenting with MRDs and KO’s with different velocities.  The 50 yard casual BR is a bit more insightful than 100 yards for me, as the feedback is a bit more revealing. I still enjoy the 100 yard stuff, but I’m trying to work on consistency and wind reading. 

    Enjoyed this thread and I think you are on the right track investing in some 50 yard range time.  Anytime I see both Mike’s, Frank, Bobby, BB and others post; it’s definitely worth reading.  

    Good luck with the 50 yard stuff. 

    Tom
     

     

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    tommyb, 

    Thanks for the interest, background story, and tips, Tom! 50 yard is definitely a "different animal" for me than longer distance. I am trying to get into the mindset of finding out what it takes to get 25+ shots in a row(fewest # of flyers) in as small of a circle as possible at 50 yards. Trying to work through equipment capabilities, pellet/slug selection, cleaning regimes, wind judging, etc… on my own is gonna take some time, but if I make good enough notes, I should come through with more experience that I will be sure of(because I verified it MYSELF).

    Except for a lucky few in certain parts of the country(who have clubs/other shooters nearby), airgunning is a pretty spread-out affair, with a lot of people "going it alone". That's why sharing information through forums like AGN and GTA is so great. Maybe when the current situation gets better, we can begin to travel and gather together again. There are so many good airgunners(and good people) like yourself and the ones you mentioned that I would love to meet and see shoot and enjoy some fellowship with. 

    Thanks again for the input and encouragement, 

    Phil

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