I contacted Neil Clague, and requested an all metal "seriously heavy duty" LDC. My TalonP project gun turned out as loud as a powder burner! Yes, I could have had a carbon fiber...but I wanted some serious metal up front. I'd already blown off two end caps. When I expressed concern about the power levels, Neil said he could handle up to 300 fpe at the muzzle. I believe him.
Here's the bare gun...27" modified, with a 12mm 16" LW barrel that fits perfectly inside the OEM frame, Tagdagger MicroLite bullpup/carbine kit, a Maddog Doug stock, and a 1lb two-stage "Super Sear". Also an after-market trigger for my chubby fingers. With a 16" barrel, you still have enough free shroud on the end to use a slide-in/grub screw LDC. And...no, I don't miss, or need, the choked barrel tip! Accuracy was unaffected.
It's certainly not a pistol anymore...and it's not a bullpup. I guess I'd call it a 27" carbine! A very loud carbine.
Neil thought I'd need at least 8" of ldc...so I told him to go 9" just to be safe. I also requested an over-sized diameter of 1.75".
Go big or go home!!!
(edited) It's an all metal, triple chamber design, with a mid-point baffle...and it works! Jewel-like machining,
I couldn't find a seam on the endcap...or anywhere else for that matter!
So...you ask, why put that 9" monster on such a tiny gun? Well...power-wise, this is a 49gr slug at 20 meters into wood:
Without the Clague, it's as loud as a .22 rifle and that just won't do. I can always slide the LDC off when I'm out in the woods, but if I'm taking out a coyote in my back yard I need to show a bit more neighbor-friendly intent. (I live in the Ouachita mountains with neighbors nearby) The Clague does the job with ease!
It's amazing what an extra 4" of barrel will do. The 12" OEM TalonP can produce 50 fpe from the factory. It's capable of much more.
A 36" TalonP producing .30 caliber results, and still quiet enough to shoot off my back deck, will handle anything sneaking along my lakeside shoreline!
Weight is 7lbs with the all metal Clague LDC mounted. However, the weight is so evenly distributed with the MicroLite and Maddog mods...it feels like a 5 lb gun!
It pushes 31gr pellets at 980 fps (66 fpe). It's peak power curve is achieved between 2200 to 1500 psi. The key to max power is the correct top hat setting (in the low .90's), heavy Condor hammer, 7 gram extra weight on the top hat striker, and attention to the power wheel setting. (Hint...mine is set on "0") Of course, your milage will vary! You need a chrony, and a lot of patience, to find the right balance. But once it's dialed in...all you need to know is the max psi to fill to, and what power wheel setting to use for the weight of the projectile being used. Not as simple as a regulated gun...just more fun!
The weather's been rotten, but if anyone is interested, I'll do some shot strings and chrony readings as a follow-up. I'm 72 and my eyes won't do justice to the gun's accuracy potential, so I won't try to impress anyone with sub-MOA groups.
Chrony strings with .25gr JSB:- 2900 fill/1200 end PW #0
Power wheel = "0"
1 805
2. 906
3. 849
4. 970
5. 1015
6.1000
7.1009
8. 1024
9. 1027
10. 1032
11. 1041
12. 1044
13. 1050
14. 1056
15. 1047
16. 1048
17. 1044
18. 1036
19. 1031
20. 1006
21. 983
22. 860
Chrony string with .25 JSB: 2800 fill/1800 end - PW #2
1. 873
2. 941
3. 950
4. 978
5. 999
6. 1003
7. 1013
8. 1014
9. 1016
10. 1033
11. 1035
12. 1034
13. 1025
14. 1019
15. 1008
16. 998
17. 987
18. 973
19. 945
20. 924
Here's the bare gun...27" modified, with a 12mm 16" LW barrel that fits perfectly inside the OEM frame, Tagdagger MicroLite bullpup/carbine kit, a Maddog Doug stock, and a 1lb two-stage "Super Sear". Also an after-market trigger for my chubby fingers. With a 16" barrel, you still have enough free shroud on the end to use a slide-in/grub screw LDC. And...no, I don't miss, or need, the choked barrel tip! Accuracy was unaffected.
It's certainly not a pistol anymore...and it's not a bullpup. I guess I'd call it a 27" carbine! A very loud carbine.
Neil thought I'd need at least 8" of ldc...so I told him to go 9" just to be safe. I also requested an over-sized diameter of 1.75".
Go big or go home!!!
(edited) It's an all metal, triple chamber design, with a mid-point baffle...and it works! Jewel-like machining,
I couldn't find a seam on the endcap...or anywhere else for that matter!
So...you ask, why put that 9" monster on such a tiny gun? Well...power-wise, this is a 49gr slug at 20 meters into wood:
Without the Clague, it's as loud as a .22 rifle and that just won't do. I can always slide the LDC off when I'm out in the woods, but if I'm taking out a coyote in my back yard I need to show a bit more neighbor-friendly intent. (I live in the Ouachita mountains with neighbors nearby) The Clague does the job with ease!
It's amazing what an extra 4" of barrel will do. The 12" OEM TalonP can produce 50 fpe from the factory. It's capable of much more.
A 36" TalonP producing .30 caliber results, and still quiet enough to shoot off my back deck, will handle anything sneaking along my lakeside shoreline!
Weight is 7lbs with the all metal Clague LDC mounted. However, the weight is so evenly distributed with the MicroLite and Maddog mods...it feels like a 5 lb gun!
It pushes 31gr pellets at 980 fps (66 fpe). It's peak power curve is achieved between 2200 to 1500 psi. The key to max power is the correct top hat setting (in the low .90's), heavy Condor hammer, 7 gram extra weight on the top hat striker, and attention to the power wheel setting. (Hint...mine is set on "0") Of course, your milage will vary! You need a chrony, and a lot of patience, to find the right balance. But once it's dialed in...all you need to know is the max psi to fill to, and what power wheel setting to use for the weight of the projectile being used. Not as simple as a regulated gun...just more fun!
The weather's been rotten, but if anyone is interested, I'll do some shot strings and chrony readings as a follow-up. I'm 72 and my eyes won't do justice to the gun's accuracy potential, so I won't try to impress anyone with sub-MOA groups.
Chrony strings with .25gr JSB:- 2900 fill/1200 end PW #0
Power wheel = "0"
1 805
2. 906
3. 849
4. 970
5. 1015
6.1000
7.1009
8. 1024
9. 1027
10. 1032
11. 1041
12. 1044
13. 1050
14. 1056
15. 1047
16. 1048
17. 1044
18. 1036
19. 1031
20. 1006
21. 983
22. 860
Chrony string with .25 JSB: 2800 fill/1800 end - PW #2
1. 873
2. 941
3. 950
4. 978
5. 999
6. 1003
7. 1013
8. 1014
9. 1016
10. 1033
11. 1035
12. 1034
13. 1025
14. 1019
15. 1008
16. 998
17. 987
18. 973
19. 945
20. 924
