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    ranedouglas
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      does anyone know for sure what weihrauch powerplant is used with these ?  here's some pix.  and did some of these come with a more 'rekord-like' trigger , as seen here ?   ………           ………..           …………   ………..       

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    JohnL57
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    Just a guess, but it looks a bit like an R10 with the scope rail-interesting BSA style safety. For what it's worth my R9 compression tube is 15 1/4" long and around 1 5/16 diameter. There was a Weirauch model 98 ( I think) with a scope rail and HW 95 style end cap that was similar to the HW95/R9.

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    AirNGasman
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    In the 1980s my brother won a Marksman Model 70 with Record trigger by winning the second field-target competition ever held in Texas. MoF, it was held in an indoor firearms range in Fort Worth, and I wrote an article about it for American Airgunner magazine (who, if memory serves me correctly, was the event sponsor). Kim used that Marksman 70 to good effect in silhouette competition; even after losing the last joint of his trigger-finger… and switching over to his love-finger! Here's a picture of me and my big-brother, may he rest in peace. Yes, we were shooters LITERALLY from the time we could first hold a gun (even incorrectly).

    I REALLY miss you, Kim!

     

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    ranedouglas
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    ……now that is uplifting….  i think the inaugural year for american airgunner was 1987 , no ?  i probably have that article…..and im in fort worth…  which and issue # would your article be in ?   …and the gun's on it way from the pacific nw.

     

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    ranedouglas
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    ….  i keep remembering that they called rthe r10 " the little r1"   ….maybe because the end plug screws into the back like an hw80…  shoot , maybe i can email dr beeman or macarri….

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    AirNGasman
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    I don't recall details like dates or which issue, but look for "Shooting For Peace" on the cover. They actually had a couple Chinamen there, and released some white doves at the event. Probably right after U.S.-China "ping-pong diplomacy"

    As the Match Director I made the mistake of leaving my Crosman 160 Co2 rifle in my hot car that probably reached 150 degrees (in mid-summer). Caused a massive POI shift, but it was sure nice to see Kim win. He or I won most of the airgun silhouette competitions back then (at FWR&PC). 

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    Skillet
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    Yeah, I still have that issue, remember the article. Wondered why u looked so unhappy in the pic… was on account of that baked 160

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    ranedouglas
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    ..  i havent found a 160 that is truly accurate , yet…  even after precision pellet puts on scope rails…   even with jsb lites… where was this : (at FWR&PC) ??   fort worth recreation and picnic center…or what did that stand for ?   was it general dynamics recreation center ?  ….which is a newly devoped yuppie-ville now…

     

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    ranedouglas
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    …idk , but i scored it off brad's airgun classys…..  $200 shipped….  dude said he'd just get it down off the wall and fire it a couple times a year…  i can see why the bluebook values them so low when they have the crude triggers and bulky stocks….but this one may be better….i'll know more next week….and i'll look the the few magazines i have left for that one…  and so the guys that write the bluebook of airguns are not always right, i find….but it says the model 72 was simliar to the marksman model 70 (i'm guessing either power level or barrel length)….never found any data on a model 71 , but the models 58 and 58k are described as an r-11 would be (i wish i just could just copy / paste everything , but that must not be kosher)….   i wish the bluebook had years of production , but that 58/58k one says discontinued in 1993….the model …….wait a minute….  the model 70 is probably like an r-10 (hw 85) – 8 lbs………it has a marksman model 55 and 59 (carbine – 14" barrel) and then 7.5 lbs….that's more like an r-9….   that carbine sounds awesome !   these things werent cheap back then either….  anywhere from 300 retail to 490 for the underlever (hw77 type)…..ive heard folks brag on those marksman models 60 and 61 (carbine)…   goodnight , yall….the world series….man….i havent seen an 18 inning game since the dodgers vs the rockies (1994-5 ?) – hideo nomo pitched….his wind-up was crazy…the called it ' the swan ' …  good stuff , man….pure american history being made tonight…

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    I picked up a model 70 back in 2012 that needed work. I used the same internals as my R9 and although the trigger appears to be an early Rekord design it is incorporated into an end plug that is held in place but two metal dowels under the scope rail. The screw that secures the rail also goes into that end plug.

    My first attempt at uploading a picture:

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    ranedouglas
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    …………..thank you !!!    ………wow…….

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    ranedouglas
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    …….it feels like an hw 85 (r10) , but acts like an hw 95 (r9)….it's really consistent across the chrono – 880's fps with premiers…  it has 'twang' but the trigger might as well be a rekord….this thing's really nice for the $200 shipped (american airguns classified)…the poor guy didnt double box it ,tho , and the front globe was bent in a bit – but so what ?  i can tinker-talk it back into a better 360 degrees later….     the macarri parts came in already  ( i'm to the point in this hobby that i get warm and fuzzy inside more from the custom parts than the actual guns anymore….thank God Almighty for james macarri's service !! )     —– wanted ::  .20 hw r-type barrel !!  —-   it's on now , yall !   i'll publish all about it this month.

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    AirNGasman
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    Fort Worth Rifle & Pistol Club.

    I haven't found a Crosman 160 that wasn't accurate, but I've only owned about a half-dozen. My (current) 160 has State Champion titles and NRA National Record certificates to its credit, and is box-stock other than wood and metal refinish and a rubber butt-pad. Rug-rats were often hard on rifling, so your 160 might have a damaged bore.

     

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    gadballs9
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    Nice score for 200bux. I had a Marksman 55T(same gun with plainer stock) and it shot great. Had to thin out the herd so i sold it.

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    JW652
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       Dug out the 1989 and 1990 Marksman catalogs and they brought a lot of good memories. The break barrels and underlevers were made by HW on BSF machinery. John Clark and Don Walker were the front office guys who attended the Shows and FT events.

       The '89 catalog shows the 70 series  (70 – .177; 71 – .22; 72 – .20) with a two stage, 2 lb trigger for $290. The '90 catalog shows the same rifles with the Record trigger. No HW equivalent.

       The model 56FTS (HW 98) had the adj. stock with forend slots ($495), and a regular barrel with muzzle weight. The model 58S (silhouette  $410) had a regular stock and barrel sleeve. The good doctor merely combined the model 56 stock and the model 58 barrel sleeve to create the "new" R-11.

       FWIW, the Crosman 160 with the brilliant, infinitely adjustable "Blond" trigger is one of the most accurate Co2 rifles ever produced. Get a CMP model with the diopter sight and fine trigger and you will know what Ron means.

     

     

                                                                                                                                                                 

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    ranedouglas
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    …..shoot……..   one of the tabs, or brackets that comes down from the action and allows the stock forearm screws to snug everything tightly was broken where the tack weld was supposed to fasten thing eternally…..damnitt…….  the ears or brackets have to be secured perfectly in the right place for the forearm screw to thread in properly and snug the gun together….  i have had the air rifle headquarters seals sitting on the bench and finally got inspired to reseal and lube-tune this model 70 tonight……damnitt……   these are just two separate little tabs that are tacked onto the underside of the tube in exactly the right places….not like the other types i have seen that have a carriage, or a u-shaped bracket that is screwed onto the underside (diana 34)……what can be done here , fellas ?   

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    ranedouglas
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    is fort worth rifle and pistol club the outfit out past springtown (where they had the first 2 airgun shows) ?  maybe that's fort worth gun club…..   i shot pistol silohette with some fellas at haltom city pistol range or gun club (on 121 by the stinky landfill) ….it was fun , but it was like 19 degrees that night….

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    AirNGasman
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    No, FWRPC was just west of FW and is long-gone.

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