Major problems with the FX MK11 Wildcat

 As some of you already know FX USA is very hard to reach by phone and FX Sweden seldom responds to them or customers. For those of you that have a Wildcat MK11 and possibly any other FX gun you should know some of the parts are not up to par. I have a Wildcat MK11 in .25 cal. I've experienced inconsistent trigger pulls from day one, (October 2018 bought new), to extreme spreads with velocity. There are two problems besides the regulator, which went out after 300 rounds. There were extreme spreads of 30 to 90 fps consistently with it. The smaller of the problems is the L piece at the end of the trigger linkage is SOFT metal. The set screw that adjusts the weight of pull is harder than the L piece. As a result the set screw digs into the L piece creating uneven pulls. A bandaged fix is to cut the 'cupped' end of the set screw and round it off so that it is smooth instead of sharp. If your trigger is 1 lb or more you probably won't feel the inconsistency. Mine varied + or - 2oz. sometimes more, which is a lot when the pull is set at 8 oz. The bigger problem with this gun and possibly several other FX models is the hammer is also SOFT. My gun came poorly adjusted from the factory which didn't help matters. As a result the shoulder on the hammer got literally hammered. If you dry five these guns or shoot them with very low air, which is easy to do since the magazines don't have a stop after the last shot, the hammer can make contact with the cocking pin chewing up the shoulder on the hammer. Once a "high" spot is created , see first two pics, you will have very uneven shot strings because sometimes when the hammer is released the 'high' spot on the shoulder will rub on the way down to the air valve slowing it down causing a low velocity. Mine dropped shots 40 fps slower that the average for a given string. There is a harden pin in the cocking linkage that pulls the hammer to the full cock position then the sear holds it there until the trigger is pulled. When the shoulder is damaged the trigger pull as well as the velocity will be inconsistent. The trigger, because the sear is not in the same position on the hammer, because of the high and low spots. Because the hammer is soft just cocking the gun is damaging the shoulder of the hammer. See third pic
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75 shots. There isn't a fix from FX USA at this time. I got a new hammer from FX USA in May or June of this year and it was also "soft". The original hammer and the new one tested @20RC. The sear tested @50RC which is what all the trigger parts should be. I sent this info to FX USA back in June when they were still taking calls and they forwarded it to Sweden with no response. I sent it again to Sweden from my end at the beginning of July before they went on their summer break for three weeks with no response. It took two months to find out what kind of metal the hammer was made from. Possibly it could be hardened and therefore saved. I realize that most shooters aren't comfortable taking their guns apart in order to see what the problem might be. And after spending the kind of money they cost one shouldn't have to ! You should be able to shoot thousands of rounds without having any problems. There are other issues with this particular gun concerning accuracy with the smoothtwist X barrel. Some of these barrels are not what they're cracked up to be. Sometimes the standard ST barrel is just as good and sometimes better then the X barrel. I have both. Don't think that putting an X barrel in your gun is going to be better than the original. It may or may not be better. Anybody that is having any of the above problems can verify what I've said by removing the hammer and closely looking at the hammer shoulder. If it's not 100% clean, not indentations of any kind, then you're having a problem whether you know it or not and eventually it will get bad enough and show up like mine did. According to FX USA Sweden told them that the hammer "ring" was hardened---it's not. It looks like these hammers are supposed to be hardened --but never made it. FX quality control is not real good. I've had four FX guns and there has been problems with all of them. Some minor some not so minor. So if some of you folks have an FX gun that's "perfect" count your blessings. I sent Johan Axelsson a note last week, September 22, 2019, asking him when or if we are going to get some quality hammers---no response.



Note: These pics may need to be blown up to really see the damage.
 
I’ve heard of a lot of small problems.

Funny to me but 2 of their most desired rifles aren’t in production anymore. Tarantula & Elite. I have an Elite with a .25 ST that can shoot slugs. I also have a 29” 0.753”’OD Benchmark from a MAC 1 Hunter. It’s hole in hole with JSB 18.13’s but forget even trying slugs as it’s .215” & chokes at .213” I love the flow through bolt. Only thing I’d change is thread in instead of 4 set screws. 


 
This problem is endemic to the Wildcats...I even tried to resurface the shoulder of my Wildcat .30 hammer and only made it worse and had to throw it away and install a new one. I have since sold it to a dedicated hunter that will not be using it for target shooting, so it should perform perfectly for him just pulling the trigger on an animal every now and then. I shot the rifle a lot while I had it and it chewed up the hammer's shoulder really bad. I thought about taking it to a machine shop to have it duplicated in some kind of harder steel, but they said their hourly rate was $360.00 per hour with a three hour minimum...so that killed that idea! If you shoot an awful lot just plan on replacing it once in awhile when it gets beat up until someone here with a lathe starts making them for us at a reasonable price. Maybe someone could convince Donny to machine some of these and sell them for say $25.00 each?

Best regards, Chuck
 
The metal that the hammer is made from is 2244-05. This is a stainless steel that is common in Sweden but not here in the states. I've looked a little on line to see if and how it can be heat treated but haven't found any info yet. The only site that was found that maybe had the heat treating info was titled (2244-05ss total materia) . Put that in your browser and it will come up as one of the choices. They wanted you to join the site so I haven't done anything to date. I to can heat treat that's why I asked about the kind of metal. The answer that I finally got came from Johan Axelsson so it should be accurate. If you have a lathe you can make the hammer from 4140 and heat treat it to 50RC. This is the metal that Ruger has used for the last 60 plus years for their hammers and triggers for their single action revolvers. It will work just fine. I have a superblack hawk that has well over a million rounds through it, I've rebuilt it 4 times, with the same hammer and trigger.
 
I wonder how much it would add to the cost of a Wildcat for Johan to make their hammers at his factory out of 4140 steel heat treated to 50 RC? I mean since he already has a CNC machine set up to make them anyway? Stainless steel really isn't necessary unless you plan on taking your Wildcat scuba diving, and it is too soft to withstand hitting the pin that cocks it back. Hotair, do you have the skills to machine some of these for us Wildcatter's?
 
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I understand the issue I think. But at the price these guns sell for why is this a problem at all? FX gets a lot of free passes from it users. I wouldn’t be so understanding. Lots of nit picky things with many different FX guns/products, where the end users have to come up with the solutions or workarounds. I can understand that for sub $600 PCPs. But at those FX prices, heck no! 
 
I understand the issue I think. But at the price these guns sell for why is this a problem at all? FX gets a lot of free passes from it users. I wouldn’t be so understanding. Lots of nit picky things with many different FX guns/products, where the end users have to come up with the solutions or workarounds. I can understand that for sub $600 PCPs. But at those FX prices, heck no!

I feel the same way Luis, for my next guns I’m thinking on the JSAR Raptor or the Evol from American air arms, I heard this guys work very closely in the production of his rifles, besides they are American made! 
 
Just wanted to address a couple of things. For those of you that don't know-- all stainless steels are "not'' soft. Some can be hardened to 60RC, but most are not good for shock resistance. The metal used here, 2244-05, probably can be harden. The problem is finding any info on it since it doesn't seen to be used much anywhere. John Hagan as already mentioned by some members is very good. He has made most if not all of Ernest's regulator testers at FX USA. I was going to maybe get some regulator testers made by him but could never talk to him. His mail box was always full, so I made the testers myself. If several members got together and had him make 10-20 pieces you may get a good price. The big thing here is that they need to be hardened. If he doesn't do heat treating than it might get expensive. My experience with getting any heat treating done is one part costs the same as 100 parts as long as the 100 parts fit in the furnace at the same time. And yes I have the ability to make these hammers, and to harden them. But I'm not a machine shop and it's a bit of work using manual machines. Pictured is what I made for my gun. If you look closely you can see that the test indentation from the tester on the left hammer is twice as big as the two on the right. The left one is what was in the gun and tested @20RC and the other two tested @ 51RC and 47.5RC.

PS: If enough members sent Mr. Axelsson a note asking when they were going to get some quality hammers maybe something would happen. His email is, [email protected]

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Wow Hotair those look like they were made by a jeweler instead of a machinist! Thanks for taking the time to explain all that...I for one appreciate it very much. If you find yourself with some spare time on your hands, I would like to have a new hammer for my old Wildcat .25 Original. I am shooting her a lot now that I sold my Wildcat .30 and I know it will be just a matter of time before I need a new hammer.

Best regards, Chuck
 
I found a list of equivalents on the steel quality that FX seems to use for their hammers according to John ( Hotair) . It appears that the suggested usage of 4140 is the same as the Swedish 2244 currently used by FX. Obviously the measured “softness” of the FX hammer by Hotair was 20RC whilst this metal can be hardened very well. I have send a PB to John discussing this issue but I believe there might be more of us interested so I continue in public in this thread in order to get maybe some new opinions / know how related to the current status of the wildcat and maverick hammers. I am just in doubt to have a new one hardened or leave it in original state as this is good enough by now ? Maybe FX can say something about this mtter or anyone else ?

















 
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FX has listened ( maybe) to John (hot air) and some others as they just launched an introduction on youtube for the newest version of the Impact . They show a new hammer made out of tungsten 183.84 that would be approx 46RC instead of the 22RC of the old hammers . For now this improvement is only mentioned for the new Impact. Anyway….improvements are made also in this hammer issue John raised. Hopefully also soon available in all other airguns . I had my hammer hardened last week 😒