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Feedback Lost $1225 dealing with cmatera

craiger862

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May 15, 2017
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I sent $1225 to the email the seller provided in his second message (which I believed it to be a correction). Now of course the recipient won't respond and Paypal tells me I'm out of luck since it was already funded. Here is the entire transaction. Shame on me for not scrutinizing this more, but I did it from my phone when not paying enough attention. You be the judge.



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$30 to get back the $, is a worthwhile investment. 

Honestly I wouldnt hold this against the seller. It's unfortunate but clearly a typo and not a malice act. You both should have been 100% on the email before exchanging $, especially when you had two different emails sent to you and the funds were being sent F&F. 

Sorry again. Hopefully you get the $ back and you two can work it out. Sounds like you really wanted the gun. 

-Matthew 
 
Ouch! I've dealt with cmatera recently and it was a flawless transaction. It's very unfortunate that a typo in the paypal address has resulted in this mess; your only recourse is to call Paypal and try to get them to help - although they are likely not going to reverse a Friends & Family payment. Hope you get it resolved.
 
Obviously, the prospective buyer has made me out to be the villain. His version of how this transaction transpired has left a few important points out that I would like to address. The transaction began on Wednesday 11/13/19. The OP wrote me about my Leshiy and said there was a guy on youtube selling Edgun products for 10% off. I lowered the price and we both settled on a price of $1225 shipped CONUS.

The OP said he was GOING to send the money. I gave him my PP address, but the money was not forthcoming, so I made a second request. On the second request, I had a typo in the PP address I provided-totally my fault. Now here's where the fun begins. The OP never said "I sent the $$". As a matter of fact, he stopped communicating. I stayed up until midnight on that Wednesday waiting for the "You've Got Money" from PP. I did not hear anything from the OP Wednesday night or all day Thursday 11/14/19, so I re-listed the gun for the same $1225 the OP was willing to pay and sold it. It was already packed and ready to go on Wednesday night awaiting the funds. I processed it on Friday morning and sent the tracking # to the buyer. As soon as I was done with the shipping I got online and had a PM from the OP saying he sent the $$. It took him 36 hours to tell me he even sent the money. Only then did I scroll up the PM's and see my error. Within minutes, his first response was roughly well there goes $1225. I told him to rescind the transaction with PP. Since I was neither the sender nor receiver, there was no way for me to get involved. Had PP told me to call them and explain the situation, I would have gladly admitted my error and tried to help fix it.

I had no communication from the OP after that Friday 11/15/19 morning. I came on here on Saturday evening to check if I received feedback on a couple of other items I sold, and saw this post. It greatly disturbed me. I have feedback going back 22 years on the Old Yellow and am carl8571 on ebay with the better part of 50K in transactions, even though I am not a dealer, just an average guy. I have always tried to go above and beyond, be fair and keep my name clean in the 64 years of my life. 

In trying to decide how to get involved, this is what I did. I sent [email protected] $1 F&F with a note explaining what happened, and asking him to do the right thing and return the money. The address was in fact to a Christoper Matera (I am Carl R Matera). I stayed up most the night trying to figure out what I could sell to free up money to pay for my error and return $1225 to the OP. This morning, I got up, ate breakfast, and turned on my computer. First thing I did was check my email, and this is what I saw:















Original transaction details













Sincerely,
PayPal























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Christopher Matera returned my $1 with the note you see above. I am sure the OP will not come on here and and tell you how this ended. He believes he had no part in what went wrong, and everything is my fault, so he chose to leave out details of what happened,continue to withhold communication and slam me publicly here. Whether you choose to do business with me in the future, is your choice. I am going to bed. It has been a long night.
 
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This is a very unfortunate scenario to read about. I feel horrible for you both.
I honestly hate when I read responses to scenarios like this that say things like
"This is why you shouldn't use blah blah blah" or "If a person only wants to use PP F&F then blah blah blah"

There is a very safe and effective way to ensure you are dealing with the right party when you use PP F&F. Here are three steps that I use on higher price transactions. 

  1. The buyer sends $1 to the seller.
  2. The Buyer using a PM or email provides the seller with a 5 digit secret code.
  3. The seller must refund the $1 and provide the code in the note section of the refund.
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    This method 100% ensures that each party has the right person involved in the transaction.

    Lastly, I know of sellers who have had funds taken out of their accounts by PP because of an unscrupulous buyer who reports he/she never received the product. There will always be a criminal element and if that element wants to strike, it will find a way, from the person who steals the item off the porch of the legitimate buyer to the buyer that says they received a hunk of wood and not the item they ordered.

    To be clear, as a member of this community and in good standing, I do not view this transaction as a malicious or criminal act in any way.

    Hajimoto
 
 

To be clear, as a member of this community and in good standing, I do not view this transaction as a malicious or criminal act in any way.

Hajimoto

Agreed. Perfect storm of typo and poor communication. Good reminder to us all to double check the address before shooting funds. 

Side note, major props to the person who received the money in error and then returned it. Also a good reminder there are truly good people out there. Hopefully the buyer and seller in this transaction send him a big THANK YOU email. 
 
Side note, major props to the person who received the money in error and then returned it. Also a good reminder there are truly good people out there. Hopefully the buyer and seller in this transaction send him a big THANK YOU email.

I did not come to the conclusion that the $1250 was refunded only the $1 payment from the seller pleading to the recipient of the $1250 to please do the right thing and refund the money to craiger862

UPDATE

Nevermind I see it now in red on the Note





 
This Christopher Matera seems like a really good guy to refund the 1250. He could've said "Thank you who ever you are." This sort of thing scares me even if its just a few dollars but thankfully everything I bought has gone smoothly. Good idea on sending the $1.00 first before sending a large amount of money