looking to buy a bullpup but which one?

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    dodge3500
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    I’m gonna buy a bull pup but I want the most bang for my buck without breaking the bank.:-) I most definitely do not want something that will be a headache out of some unheard of country just because its cheap.I want a solid gun that just works well when I call on it.I would like .22 or .25 caliber that’s easy on the ears and shoots half inch groups at 50 yards. I already have 2 scuba tanks from my paintball arsenal I keep in date that are good for 3300 psi to help keep me going till I get a good carbon fiber 4500 psi tank.Im looking to spend 1000$ to about 1500$ tops on the bull pup and scope.I would love walnut but synthetic would do if price is right.I have looked at p12,crickets,bobcats,wildcats,evanix,jkhan,Vulcan,edgun matador and my favorite the hummingbird (too bad I’m a lefty).I don’t know much about any of them as far as being a solid performer, this will be a one time buy that I keep so its gotta be good.I will be only shooting targets for plinking,I’m no hunter.:-) I would like a good shot count that’s consistent. I would greatly appreciate any advice on what to get and where to buy it from with good service. ūüôā¬†
    Thanks(oooh I can fudge on the budget a little)

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    Kgb1024
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    Get a cricket, I’ve had mine for a year and love it. Accurate, proven, and plenty of help on the forums.

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    scubajeeper
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    Get it in .22 if your not going to hunt, you’ll save a bundle over buying .25 ammo, if you plan on shooting a lot. You might look at the Vulcan since your a lefty.
      
     

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    scotty
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    I’m glad you posted this as I am in a similar pickle, budget and all. I think you are dismissing the Colibr√≠ or Hummingbird too soon. You shooting the Vector or Colibr√≠ Left handed would be just like me shooting the FX Wildcat as I’m Right handed. Also a nifty Segway to present the final contenders in my search so far. The Vector, the Colibr√≠ and the Wildcat. All three in .25 caliber. They are all reputed to be very quiet, very accurate and in your budget. The least expensive of those three would be the Wildcat. That $200 difference could get you a head start on a real nice scope…

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    Kgb1024
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    The only reason I didn’t recommend the colibri is, they seem to have had a lot of problems and I am not sure they are all sorted out, if you spend a lot of money and get something that does not make you happy it could leave a bad taste in your mouth and leave you broke

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    pheelgood
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    So here’s my take. ¬† I love my new wildcat and my new edgun (regular). ¬†Both are accurate, both have plenty of power (.25). ¬†Wildcat is lighter and cheaper.
    There has been a couple of reports of wildcats not cycling, but I’ve not had that issue at all and I’ve burned 2000 pellets so far. ¬†It’s like butter.

    Edgun is an few hundred dollars More.. Like new scope More.  So the wildcat would be my choice.
    I have no experience with any other bullpup than these two.

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    Kgb1024
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    I would seriously consider the wildcat but there isn’t much info out there just yet, I can’t find videos on grouping and I have seen the problems you mention and saw where mags were popping out. I also saw a video where one was completely jammed up. I just don’t like buying anything when it first comes out, I like the bugs to get worked out.
    I have no experience with smooth twist barrels but really think they are good as well, I mean look at Ted’s videos with the Bobcat, no accuracy issues there. Whichever one you choose just do your due diligence and don’t look back, all of them will shoot.

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    scotty
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    “Kgb1024”The only reason I didn’t recommend the colibri is, they seem to have had a lot of problems and I am not sure they are all sorted out, if you spend a lot of money and get something that does not make you happy it could leave a bad taste in your mouth and leave you broke

    ‚Ä©Good point! I forgot one of the reviews I saw the guy said that the gun occasionally misfires and he has to cycle the action again. Someone else was just saying In another thread about the wildcat that he has over 300 rounds through it and only one misfire and he had two friends over that aren’t shooters and they were hitting bulls eyes right off of the bat.¬†

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    keysersoze
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    I would get the Vulcan in .25 ¬†There is really nothing else like it on the market. ¬† At one point I have owned every bullpup from the bobcat to the Vulcan. ¬† The bobcat is a higher quality gun compared to the Wildcat and I would recommend the Vulcan over the bobcat. From the reports so far I would wait on the wildcat, I think we are going to see a wildcat 2 sooner than later. I am a total bullpup fanatic, I was going to buy a wildcat but I’m pumping the breaks on that gun for now. ¬† I shoot my EDgun the most however but I think that is just because I am so familiar with the way the gun feels. If I had to choose between ¬†them Vulcan would win. ¬† ¬† The other real contender is the Taipan. If you want a super high quality bullpup where no corners were cut I would look at the taipan. The Taipan is offered only in .22 and .177. Like the Vulcan the bolt can be reversed and it is probably the best metal work I have ever seen on a bullpup. The metal is finished to an English/ German standard. The Taipan is finished as well as my Theoben Rapid (that’s a real complement). ¬†The taipan is the smoothest cocking indexing magazine bullpup on the market. The taipan is just as smooth as the HW100. ¬†I have had zero failures with the Taipan and Vulcan.¬†

    Good do luck with your decision what ever you do don’t look back¬†

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    KYAirgunner
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    Keysersoze (or any one else with experience),
    From your experience and from what you have seen/read would you say the the vulcan would be worth the extra 300$ compared to the wildcat? I was really interested in the wildcat until I saw your review of the vulcan. I have a discovery so I wanted to upgrade and go big 1300$ was my budget but if the vulcan is so much better than I might hold off on the wildcat. Also how is the accuracy of the vulcan at 50 yards? Is it very pellet picky? That would be a plus if it wasnt pellet picky because I here smooth twist eat JSBs all the way.
    Much apprecited,
    ‚ÄčLeo : )
    Note: Im talking about both in .25 caliber.

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    keysersoze
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    One of our informal club members has a WC. I do not feel the WC is the same quality build as the Bobcat. The price difference reflects as well. ¬† The real comparison is between the bobcat and the Vulcan. ¬†I put both of these models on the top tier list of bullpups. The WC is more in line with the JKhan bullpup. ¬† There isn’t really any other way to put it. ¬†Learn from my expensive mistakes in the airgun world, there are no free lunches.¬†

    The Vulcan is a well built machine. It is wicked accurate and the smallest lightest .25 on the market.  The gun can seriously shoot one hole at 50 and still be MOA at 150.  I can bust clays with he little gun well past 200 yards,  

    The owner is a really good guy, he answers emails like he’s your best friend. I have never interacted with an airgun maker like him before. ¬† He is building such quality that his old employer, Kalibrgun threatened the Czech stock maker and ordered them to stop making stocks for the Vulcan. ¬†When a big airgun maker like Kalibrgun is worried about a little 3 man company that tells me something. ¬†Evnegy, the owner really cares about his product. ¬†

    If you want a Vulcan I would call all three dealers and negotiate. That is the beauty of having more than one importer, the power of competition. ¬†I am not going to tell you who to go with since none of them have paid for advertising on this site and I don’t think that is fair. Nothing is free even AGN. ¬† I’ll bet with a few phone calls you can find the best deal 😉

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    philip
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    Hats off keyser. Wish I can give more than 1 accuracy vote. The best . Thank you

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    linsfreak
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    check out the cricket bullpup.

    my opion only….
    had colibri Hummingbird very quiet, but lots of issues with the four I had.

    had Maurder, good but needed more quality.

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    dodge3500
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    Its looking like in the 1500$ range the Vulcan but its in the top of my budget.The cricket and wildcat in the 1300$ to 1400$ range with room to purchase a scope.
    I totally love the looks of the hummingbird but issues with it will stop me from getting one.
    I haven’t heard anyone chiming in on any sub 1000$ bullpups,are any of them viable?
    I’m leaning towards a Vulcan or a cricket currently but I’m one of those people that will mull things over for a few months before a large to me purchase. I appreciate all opinions and info ,the more the better.keep them rolling:)

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    Pellethunter
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    ¬†I have learned over the years the hard way on this its cheaper to buy quality many times many times I bought the leaser scope wanting to put it all in my budget but ended up having to buy the better scope on top of the money i wasted on the lease scope of course I’m not talking about scope. With anything tools I have guys go to harbor freight and buy a cheap tool I tell them u have to be rich to buy cheap and they learn once it breaks not if but when they now have to go buy the good one now costing more compiled with the money spent on the cheap tool my advice is buy quality save your self money in the long run and headaches aggregation grief Again I say it u have to Rich to buy cheap it will cost u more in the long run the wildcat is having way too many issues now to even be considered and I expect wildcat MK2 soon the Vulcan had a glitch in the first batch as all Airguns do and it’s been resolved it was the cocking arm rod now it’s hardens steel and slightly thicker so it’s the second edition and it’s safe buy I can go on and on about how I tried to save few hundred here and there and has backfired everytime!!! I bought a pump for example many years ago hahha I tried it once said heck no takes the fun out of shootin made me shoot less😂 and ended up buying carbon tank well the pump 200 the the carbon tank was 700 so it cost me 900 all said and done trying to save mony KS nailed it right on the head when he said there’s no such thing as free lunch

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    scotty
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    Keysersoze, I have been following a lot of your posts about the Vulcan and I am really impressed with that gun and what you can do with it. I don’t know if it is legal to hunt with an air rifle here in CA but even if it is I don’t know if .25 would be big enough. I have seen pictures of the Vulcan Rifle that is rumored to be in the works¬†http://www.topgun-airguns.com/Vulcan-rifle_p_97.html¬†it looks compact for a rifle like the Vulcan bull pup is compact for a bull pup. Has anyone heard about the rifle and if it will be in any other caliber? ¬†After all that I have read from Keysersoze and others, I am really drawn to the Vulcan and the customer service that Keysersoze describes is a nice quality to find.¬†By the time that I have worked up enough overtime to purchase the bull pup, the rifle may be out. (Not with my luck) Since I won’t be able to afford to buy a separate gun for hunting I will need to find one gun that can plink, control pests and hunt. Being that nearly everything is illegal in California the hunting is likely a moot point. But I have a friend with farmland and hunts back in Kentucky. The customer service that Keysersoze describes is a nice quality to find. Sorry I’m rambling, still drinking my coffee.¬†
    I’m leaning toward the Vulcan. I wish it was offered in .30. Does anyone know any rumors about the Vulcan Rifle, like what calibers it will be offered in if it comes to market and if it comes to market- when?

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    Lawrence
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    I’m still shooting the colibri and love it after Ernest worked the bugs out of it.

    If I were buying today I would buy the Vulcan.¬† The mid-gun cocking handle is just hard to beat.¬† It looks like it¬†has the same balance as the¬†Colibri¬†but don’t know if it is still being made and sold.

    I’ve owned both FX and Cricket and they’re also great guns…so many choices, so little time and money…LOL
     

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    arod2000
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    “dodge3500”I’m gonna buy a bull pup but I want the most bang for my buck without breaking the bank.:-) I most definitely do not want something that will be a headache out of some unheard of country just because its cheap.I want a solid gun that just works well when I call on it.I would like .22 or .25 caliber that’s easy on the ears and shoots half inch groups at 50 yards.¬†

    ‚Ä©The good news is you said (in a later post) that you’re¬†patient and will wait a few months on a large purchase. Good because the Wildcat is so new that things need to settle down a bit to get an accurate read on the gun. And an accurate read will come from many different reviews and many different posters…and that just isn’t out there yet. The whole world has only had the gun for two weeks now.¬†

    That said, my Wildcat .25 arrived last week and I’ve been very pleased with it. You may have read in another thread where the most impressive and surprising thing to me is the sound – or lack of sound. In .25 caliber it’s extremely quiet. The only reason that’s up for debate is because someone says they don’t believe me. I own the gun, the other individual doesn’t. Well, again, you have time so I suspect Ted will be the authoritative answer to that (sorry, I’m not going to do a video and upload it). It’s extremely quiet. I have about 500 rounds through it now, all at short distances. Tomorrow I will shoot at 100+ yards and will report back on how it goes.¬†

    I’m not going to compare it to other guns because I don’t know other guns. This is my 2nd PCP. The other was an FX Whisper .25 (and this one is noticeably quieter than my Whisper).¬†

    You said you want most bang for the buck so I’d consider all the models you’re considering and make a list of what comes with key things such as….a regulator, or picatinny rail, or action location, etc. I do like the Vulcan and from what I can read online that would be a top choice if I was shopping.¬†

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    airkrazy
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    I owned .25 and .30 in cricket and bobcat. I still own a compact cricket in .22 and now a .25 Vulcan. Hands down the Vulcan is such a impressive piece. The side cocking bolt, 26.5 inches and light weight THUNDER. I hope for a synthetic type stock in the future.

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    keysersoze
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    Scotty did you know that California has some of the most liberal laws regarding airgun hunting? You can even take Turkey with one. Game birds are ok too. I live here too. (By liberal I mean the true definition not the democratic definition)

    Part 1. The rules.
    Airgun legalities, game and pest: California situation:
    California leads the nation in pellet rifle hunting? Thanks to progressive thinking on the
    part of the
    California Department of Fish and Game (DF&G), pellet rifles are legal means of
    take for all (that’s
    ‚ÄúALL‚ÄĚ) California Resident Small Game.
    DF&G regulations: Chapter 2: Resident Small Game: 311: Methods Authorized for
    Taking Resident Small Game:
    (f): “Air rifles firing pellets and powered by compressed air or gas (0.20 caliber minimum
    for taking wild turkey);‚ÄĚ
    Ok, so what critters are open to airgun hunters in California?
    DF&G regulations: Chapter 1: General Provisions and Definitions: S257: Resident
    Small Game Defined:
    “Resident small game means the following resident game birds: Chinese spotted doves,
    ringed turtle doves of the family Columbidae, California quail and varieties thereof,
    Gambel or desert quail, mountain quail and varieties thereof, blue grouse and varieties
    thereof, ruffed grouse, sage grouse (sage hens), white-tailed ptarmigan, Hungarian
    partridges, redlegged partridges, including the chukar and other varieties, ring-necked
    pheasants and varieties, and wild turkeys of the order Galliformes, and the following
    game mammals: jack rabbits and varying hares (genus Lupus), cottontail rabbits, brush
    California small game and varmint pellet rifle hunting
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    rabbits, pigmy rabbits (genus Syluilagus), and tree squirrels (genus Sciurus and
    Tamiasciurus).‚ÄĚ
    What else can you pellet rifle hunt in California?
    Nongame ‚Äúvarmint‚ÄĚ hunting in California:
    DF&G regulations: Chapter 6. Nongame animals: S472. General provisions:
    “(a) The following nongame birds and mammals may be taken at any time of the year
    and in any number except as prohibited in Chapter 6: English sparrow, starling, coyote,
    weasels, skunks, opossum, moles and rodents (excluding tree and flying squirrels, and
    those listed as furbearers, endangered or threatened species).‚ÄĚ
    And how can you take them (what weapons)?
    DF&G regulations: Chapter 6. Nongame animals: S475. Methods of Take for
    Nongame Birds and Mammals:
    ‚ÄúNongame birds and mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:‚ÄĚ The
    exceptions are sections S475(a), (b), (c), (d), and (e).
    Section S475.(a) says that you can’t use poisons. Section S475.(b) says that electronic
    game calls are only ok for coyotes, bobcats, crows and starlings. Section S475.(c) says
    that various exotics like fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, feral goats, etc. can only be
    taken with various firearms and archery gear described in Chapter 3 Big Game, Section
    353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game.
    Section S476.(d) restricts the use of leg-hold and other traps. And Section S476.(e) says
    that you can’t put out bait while using dogs to hunt non-game, and bobcats have other
    restrictions listed in Section S478.
    Of the above non-game species, English sparrows, starlings and ground squirrels are very
    suitable quarry for most pellet rifle hunters.

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