Never tried to change anyone's mind. Just throwing out something to think about. Nothing more...nothing less.
I'm done on this thread. We've all had our say.
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Long Range hunting sub-forum
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Never tried to change anyone's mind. Just throwing out something to think about. Nothing more...nothing less.
I'm done on this thread. We've all had our say.
I think if you create a sub forum, you might want to define what is long range. Long range 150yrd shots with a FX Crown carries the same degree of difficulty as 80yrd shots with a Prod carbine. The ethics committee is far less of a threat than the monkey see monkey do I saw it on a video so I want to do it crowd. A sub forum won’t change that unless there is a background check and secret password to get in. I went through this in the archery community years ago when guys started long bombing deer and elk. Shooters, no matter what the weapon, only post the hero videos or stories. Never all the misses and wounded animals. Knuckleheads only see what’s posted, and tons of it and think it’s not that hard. I have been shooting extreme distances since the 1980’s and never got my feathers ruffled by a bunch of keyboard commandos because I don’t feel the need to be validated online. I think if you want to post long shots on the edge of a weapons effective range, no matter where you do it, you just have to have thick skin.
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Vet,
It’s not about thick skin. I spent 9 years with the Army, one of those full years in Iraq. I can take a licking. It’s about the ability to exchange information freely, without constant interruption and upsetting the other folks.
I have no doubt in what I do. Bob doesn’t either (if I may speak for you, Bob).
I want to discuss long range with my peers, and instruct/encourage those interested in starting in an appropriate space on this forum.
I have expressed my desire for an improved experience for all who love air gunning and participating here. I see many others share my desire. I hope a sub forum is possible for Michael to do. Until he weighs in, I suppose I will wait before posting to this thread again.
I will continue to post in the hunting forum as I have, and hope that this discussion has at least let folks here know my intentions.
Also, Norm and I will continue to effectively engage long range pests, and share whatever information we have with those interested, via this forum and YouTube.
It’s not about thick skin. I spent 9 years with the Army, one of those full years in Iraq. I can take a licking. It’s about the ability to exchange information freely, without constant interruption and upsetting the other folks.
I have no doubt in what I do. Bob doesn’t either (if I may speak for you, Bob).
I want to discuss long range with my peers, and instruct/encourage those interested in starting in an appropriate space on this forum.
I have expressed my desire for an improved experience for all who love air gunning and participating here. I see many others share my desire. I hope a sub forum is possible for Michael to do. Until he weighs in, I suppose I will wait before posting to this thread again.
I will continue to post in the hunting forum as I have, and hope that this discussion has at least let folks here know my intentions.
Also, Norm and I will continue to effectively engage long range pests, and share whatever information we have with those interested, via this forum and YouTube.
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I wouldn’t mind a long range sub-forum and just because it’s long range doesn’t mean it’s for animals cough cough but sometimes you say long range and right away some people start talking ethics and ethical shots, well shooting paper at 300-400 yards hurts no critters unless it’s a squirrel/rabbit but there is a learning curve and it takes time, just like hitting paper at 1000 yards with a 6.5, it just doesn’t happen overnight.
Right now I only shoot out to 125 yards but I have the equipment to shoot beyond that but I’m still a greenhorn when it comes to airguns and trajectory and I’m all about learning from those who know what they are talking about.
Got my vote.
Right now I only shoot out to 125 yards but I have the equipment to shoot beyond that but I’m still a greenhorn when it comes to airguns and trajectory and I’m all about learning from those who know what they are talking about.
Got my vote.
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If you wanna comment about ethics, just start your own thread. Don’t comment on someone else’s that isn’t the topic. Done and done. Now a long range forum would be nice though in and of itself.
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I believe this to be a great idea. I've been pouring over the forums trying to gain a little insight into this exact subject. I'd like to thank you , Bob and any other members who contribute to this positive discussion, I know how much of an effort you put into this. Please, keep this going as a solid reference to those of us who are interested but not able to do the in depth work needed to learn.
JoeWillie
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Here’s the only thing, i think this would be a great place for folks to learn about long range shooting and what it takes to make such shots. It would be ALL long range content so it’d be much easier to find. But if we’re looking for a solution to stop all these guys from shaming everyone making such great shots, i believe we are chasing our tail. Just because it’s a separate sub forum won’t keep them away. Just like when the title to Bob’s video was about his road to 200 yards, someone still, knowing EXACTLY what was about to be included, still had to click to give his 2¢... there’s always going to be the guy searching to stir the pot.
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If its just an easier place to learn for folks I’m cool with that.
I would appreciate there being a rule, to specifically keep anti long rangers from posting in the long range section. As I have stated before that would be like an anithunter posting anti hunting stuff in the hunting section.
I would appreciate there being a rule, to specifically keep anti long rangers from posting in the long range section. As I have stated before that would be like an anithunter posting anti hunting stuff in the hunting section.
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Yep. It shouldn't be that difficult. I don't post in the springer or pistol forum for obvious reasons.
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I think it's an awesome idea!
Call it the 100+ Chronicles!
Long range and slugs are here to stay and even trickling into the bench rest competitions. I'm a long time varmint hunter with powder burners and have only been playing with PCPs for a couple years now.
And a couple of years ago never would have thought this sport would be where it is today. Took a crow at 141 yards this morning and wouldn't have even thought about it two years ago. I know guys that can't do that with a RF and they still try anyway!!! No matter what you'll always have haters and Johnny do gooders and people who shouldn't be doing this at all....cant please everyone and you can't fix stupid!!!!lol.
I'm ready let's do this...
James from Michigan,
Call it the 100+ Chronicles!
Long range and slugs are here to stay and even trickling into the bench rest competitions. I'm a long time varmint hunter with powder burners and have only been playing with PCPs for a couple years now.
And a couple of years ago never would have thought this sport would be where it is today. Took a crow at 141 yards this morning and wouldn't have even thought about it two years ago. I know guys that can't do that with a RF and they still try anyway!!! No matter what you'll always have haters and Johnny do gooders and people who shouldn't be doing this at all....cant please everyone and you can't fix stupid!!!!lol.
I'm ready let's do this...
James from Michigan,
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I agree with this gentle suggestion to proceed with caution. I have zero doubt that the explosion in interest in "long range hunting" in the powder-burner world has resulted in a great many more animals being "clipped" (and then lost).
Thats a big price for an animal to pay just to help some guy "learn his limits".
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I'm in, hell I dont even shoot closer then 80 yards at the backyard range. Shooting tiny spinners Saturday at 175 yards has me wanting to stretch the PCP further.
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No not at all ! If you read my post a little closer I'm referring to people who should not be doing this kind of thing but they will anyway. And all of your concerns are not going to change that! So please don't be a downer on the people with the skills and want this sub forum to pass on their knowledge and information. This is exactly what we are talking about...if you don't like the subject matter just move on...
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I believe you are also missing what some of us are eluding to. If the people that you say shouldn't be shooting long range are going to do it anyway. The people who have an opinion that may not always be aligned with yours are going to click onto the sub forum anyway. It doesn't matter what you call it, people are going to visit it if its just a click away. Especially if it has a title that directs every bored white guys google search right to it. You want the benefits of a secret society online but that's not how it works unfortunately. I shoot long range and do most of my testing at night on my range because the air is better and no wind. All of my targets out to 150yrds have remote control lights that I turn off and on from my bench. Most of my distance stuff is shared exclusively through PM's on another forum. I know what you guys are looking for, just not sure if a sub forum is going to change things. Wanting to show off by posting long bomb videos will always be our undoing. The same thing happens with archery, rifles and muzzleloaders.
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If i misunderstood your post, my apologies. I thought you were taking a jab at those of us for whom the thought of encouraging an activity/space that will surely result in the wounding of animals, is just not right. Whether we would click into the space or not isnt even really relevant; there's a principle involved l here. i respect that thee are different appreciations/understanding of that (those) prnciples, I felt it my responsibility to support one perspective to which some of us have high commitment. Dont get me wrng, i hunt (for meat) myself, but not that way. (though i could, i can take pretty long and accurate pokes, but not at animals)
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New member here, and I probably should't post to this thread....but I can't help it.
I was raised in Louisiana but have lived in Colorado for the past 15 years. While I haven't done everything, I've shot bison at 40 yards and prairie dogs at 800.
IME, more whitetail are wounded with a .30-30 at 40 yards than with a 6mm Rem at 400. Almost anybody will take a shot at a 40 yard whitetail because "no way to miss", and they do. In your face encounters generally encourage rapid, for better or worse, response.
Increase the distance by a considerable margin, and the nimrods know it's simply too far, and don't shoot. If they're even less talented than that a complete miss is practically guaranteed. But, for those with the right equipment and an intimate knowledge of its capabilities, well....this is the "comfort" zone. The critter's not going to hear you slide the gun into place, nor see you doing the same. Since you can see it so far away, your FOV must be pretty good, so you have all the time in the world to set up the shot. A much calmer situation than a deer popping out of the jungle at 30 yards.
There's actually time to consider the circumstances of the shot.
I've done many of both. Give me time and distance every time.
Ethics are a subjective thing. Landing a projectile where it needs to is completely objective.
I was raised in Louisiana but have lived in Colorado for the past 15 years. While I haven't done everything, I've shot bison at 40 yards and prairie dogs at 800.
IME, more whitetail are wounded with a .30-30 at 40 yards than with a 6mm Rem at 400. Almost anybody will take a shot at a 40 yard whitetail because "no way to miss", and they do. In your face encounters generally encourage rapid, for better or worse, response.
Increase the distance by a considerable margin, and the nimrods know it's simply too far, and don't shoot. If they're even less talented than that a complete miss is practically guaranteed. But, for those with the right equipment and an intimate knowledge of its capabilities, well....this is the "comfort" zone. The critter's not going to hear you slide the gun into place, nor see you doing the same. Since you can see it so far away, your FOV must be pretty good, so you have all the time in the world to set up the shot. A much calmer situation than a deer popping out of the jungle at 30 yards.
There's actually time to consider the circumstances of the shot.
I've done many of both. Give me time and distance every time.
Ethics are a subjective thing. Landing a projectile where it needs to is completely objective.
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If your pesting and most long range airgun hunters are it’s a different mindset. Your there to kill and or scare pests away from farms by any means. It’s better than poison. 
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