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Centercut

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Does anyone have any video or can explain how this "speed loading" is done with the side-shot type Impact magazines? I know they "dump" a butt load of pellets on the top of the magazine with the cover removed, but how is that done since the mag must be rotated and held in place with a single pellet before starting the rest of the loading? A description with photos or a video would be great. Thanks! ;)

Mike
 
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CC, I would imagine you would have to put in the first pellet to hold the spring as when loading normally unless it’s modified, but from there I don’t know. Are they special modified magazines or just the standard side shot mags? I can’t see the pellets all righting themselves without some kind of modification? Sure be awesome if we could dump them and have them correct themselves, would save a lot of time. I’d love to see a video too if somebody has one, or just more information. Great question CC, you’re on a roll lately. I’d give you a +1 but you’re already way too far out ahead of me! Lol

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I have seen a couple of vids of this Ernest was in one of them. I think it was in one of the benchrest competitions but I can't find it now sorry. The magazine is twisted. spring is set, and held in place before the pellets are dumped over the magazine and the magazine is tilted and shook to rid it of the extras.. Sorry I could not be more helpful.
 
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Sounds logical. The reason I ask is that I have a .22 Crown, and the new "side-shot" style magazines in .22 are like the Impact mags, only smaller, and meet the 18 pellet limitation for EBR. I'm just wondering if they shoot the pellets backwards for the ones that go in that way? I have a method to speed load my two 14 shot Cricket magazines for my .22 Mini Carbine, but if this is faster I'll switch to the Crown. I guess I have some testing to do! ;)
 
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Well, I saw Thayne Simmons and another Utah Airguns guy (Cody Schenk) doing it at EBR last year, but didn't get a close look. It didn't seem any faster at the time than the Cricket or Wildcat speed load technique. Not sure if the mags have changed since then or not? I'm going to try it with my Crown, but it seems that rotating the inner part, inserting a pellet to hold it, then dumping takes some time. I'm certain they're not starting with a pellet already in there holding the mag so they can do the pellet dump... In any case, since there are 20 targets, and the mag is limited to 18 pellets by the rules, everyone including the Impact guys will have to do at least one mag change...
 
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Centercut, from what I observed at pyramid air cup:

They open magazines before timer starts. Once timer starts, they pour half a tin of pellets into it, swiping hand across. It does not matter which direction pellet goes in.

Then they put cover back on and twist it to lock it.

After that magazine is inserted into rifle.

I believe there is no spring and rifle is advancing magazine on next round.

Took about 8 seconds from the start of timer to first shot.
 
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Anyone have an Impact with the newer side-shot magazine that can confirm that? I have two of the new side-shot type Crown magazines that hold 18 pellets and it has a spring to advance the magazine. If it does have a spring, and all they are doing is removing the cover and dumping -- LUCY- they've got some s'plaining to do!!! Either they rotate if quickly, hold with one hand and dump with the other, which is the logical explanation, or...
 
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I have the FX version of the sideshot in .177, .22. .25 & .30, the reason I mentioned the gold mags is that to me it seems impossible to just dump pellets and somehow get them the right way up! the gold mag must be different in some way.

BTW I must be honest and say this, the PA results? how boring is this all becoming, IMPACT after IMPACT, .30 etc. etc.? how about introducing .22 cal and .25 and above as two seperate classes?

When one team dominated F1 at one time in history how boring was that!
 
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Better than .22 and below, and .25 and above, how about a FPE limit? 35 FPE and below one class, above 35 FPE another class. The reason I say that is because if you say just .22, only guns that shoot the 25.4 grain RD Monsters at about 50 FPE will be competitive. 

That's why the AFT at EBR is screwed up. They specify Sniper (.22 and below) and Extreme (.25 and above), yet fail to acknowledge that the 50 FPE .22 guns are just as if not more competitive than the .25 and .30 caliber guns. Look at EBR last year. If it was just one class, no one shooting in the Extreme Class would have finished in the top 3.
 
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Centercut, from what I observed at pyramid air cup:

They open magazines before timer starts. Once timer starts, they pour half a tin of pellets into it, swiping hand across. It does not matter which direction pellet goes in.

Then they put cover back on and twist it to lock it.

After that magazine is inserted into rifle.

I believe there is no spring and rifle is advancing magazine on next round.

Took about 8 seconds from the start of timer to

I don’t understand, can you please elaborate?

Without locking in the first pellet or having some other wAy to load the spring, the magazine wouldn’t rotate to the next pellet after each shot. I’m wondering if the side shot guys, including Thayne, who made the gold magazines know something we don’t. I get the pellets going in correctly or incorrectly but the crutial part would be loading the spring???

You know, John mentioned an indent, even if you didn’t have one, it would be easy enough to make one. You could drill a small hole in the side, put in a pin, load, pull out the pin and shoot as you normally would. The speed event would be the only time you’d ever use it unless you wanted to shoot pellets backwards often.

Stoti

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Stoti, maybe a small piece of wooden dowel rod in the first load position? Dump then remove the dowel as you put on the cover? There has to be something, since having a pellet in there at the start would be wrong and I'm sure its not done... 

But then, would ANYTHING not part of the factory magazine be allowed? From the EBR 2019 rules:

{No magazine loading apparatus allowed}

{If using a magazine, must use factory/OEM magazines only. Limited to 18 shot maximum capacity.}

Tough call.
 
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There’s a lip that sticks out to stop the rotation. After each shot, the spring rotates the pellets, they hit that piece which lined up the next pellet after each shot. Once pellets are in the mag. it can’t be rotated or the pellets will hit it. That’s what’s got me confused. You would have to load the spring first but a small chunk of dowel or pellet would work. Actually a hole through the side and a small pin would work better.

Stoti

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I do not have a Sideshot mag. But why can you not tension the spring, hold the tension with thumb and with the forefinger in a pinch grip of the same hand blocking the hole from the mag back side, then dump/spread the pellets? Or does the design permit inserting pellets upsidedown? If not, and a pellet enters the through-hole wrongly, shift the forefinger and allow it to fall out until one correctly fills the through-hole. This video does not show the technique, but only illustrates the hand position I was thinking of. Just brainstorming here, and I may be totally offbase. 😬

https://youtu.be/rdcdGwwX8wU?t=158
 
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I watched one of Dubber's latest videos on the PAC, and he explained what was done to the .22 Impacts they were using in the Speed Event (Gunslynger). He explained that the magazines were specially modified with slightly smaller holes for the pellets so that when they dumped them on top, only the heads would go in since the skirts are slightly larger than the heads. He also explained that the guns needed to be modified so that they could use the special magazines.

Of course, this is only good for the PAC Gunslynger Events, since the rules at EBR preclude the use of modified magazines and magazine that hold in excess of 18, and the Speed Event at RMAC doesn't required speed loading or single loading a gun. I'm wondering in the Unlimited Event at EBR if Dubber will use the Pump or Side Lever action on his Impact...? He admitted in the video that he thought he was just as fast with either.
 
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