I have a MKII and have left it cocked for an hour or so a few times. I don't think this makes a difference or causes any unnecessary 'wear', but thought I would put it out there to see what the consensus is.
Leaving your rifle cocked
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I leave my taipan cocked overnight all the time because of squirrels just materialize on my feeder, I say just do it if you like.
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My 2 Leshiy Classic is cocked by design when folded, always store them in the safe that way, never had any problems, have not noticed any change in velocity - same with my car, the suspensions springs is always under load
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All springs wear. I say never ever leave anything cocked as it's a accident waiting to happen. We're only human & can easily get distracted.
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I humbly submit that it all depends on the materials used in the composition of the spring steel itself. By buying or using a lesser grade steel spring some manufacturers add to their bottom line producing their lower grade product. That is why there is an after market business option filling this possible quality void. On safety; Leaving any cocked & locked weapon anywhere unattended is skating on thin ice, that could bring a boat load of life changing chaos friend. 
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I had just got done doing my bi-annual airgun Ballistol cleaning, when I replaced the trigger guard lock on my Benjamin Bulldog, and was loading it back into it's rifle case. The trigger lock was accidently secured in front on the trigger instead of behind it (the trigger lock never fit properly from the beginning), and as I slid my gun into it's case, it removed the safety, and the gun discharged at around 3am.
I ended up blowing a whole into my bedroom dresser, through the sheetrock wall into the adjacent closet, and through a suit, before the NSA 110gr .357 slug rested after putting a gouge in the closet door. If I would have had the 142gr slugs loaded instead, it would have blown through the thin closet door, and out of the office window of my home in a semi-urban community. That was the last time I used the trigger locks, and the last time I've kept the Bulldog loaded.
If any harm would have come to my wife due to my actions, you would have had to dress me in that suit with the hole in it for my funeral, because that would literally kill me.
I do keep my AEA HPBP .25 cal loaded, as it has a more traditional safety mechanism, as well as not having the power of the Bulldog.
I have also purchased hard cases for all my PCP rifles, so no more sliding guns in soft cases.
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Never leave airgun cocked.
1. Most if not all airguns safetys lock trigger or triggeraction and this dosent make gun safe in anyway. Unless your safety solidly locks hammer and prevents it from moving its dangerous to rely on one.
2. Incase your valvepoppets fail you have projectile discharge
3. If done commonly your hammerspring will get fatiqued and loses its force slowly
4. Due fairly strong hammerspring forces you cause fatique on your hammer sear and if done commonly and often can cause failure in triggeraction.
1. Most if not all airguns safetys lock trigger or triggeraction and this dosent make gun safe in anyway. Unless your safety solidly locks hammer and prevents it from moving its dangerous to rely on one.
2. Incase your valvepoppets fail you have projectile discharge
3. If done commonly your hammerspring will get fatiqued and loses its force slowly
4. Due fairly strong hammerspring forces you cause fatique on your hammer sear and if done commonly and often can cause failure in triggeraction.
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Okay I have to admit that sometimes between what I consider rapid shots (1-3 min) I’ll have the gun comes and locked. However I never do longer and if I pause and the round is in the chamber it goes to Intl the ground. Most air rifles I know of you can’t, by design, un-chaimber the the round like you can on firearms, I know it’s a waste but the into the ground is cheaper and safer than an accident.
Since I have owned one, the leshiy 2 is hammer less so it’s hard to compare it to a traditional springer or pcp air rifle. I never store a gun cocked or with the magazine in it. Also cringe when I see someone post a photo or video anywhere and the gun is obviously not on safe, to me yes it’s hopefully a mistake and worse bad practice and ethics, I hopefully never do it and if I do please call me out for it!
Since I have owned one, the leshiy 2 is hammer less so it’s hard to compare it to a traditional springer or pcp air rifle. I never store a gun cocked or with the magazine in it. Also cringe when I see someone post a photo or video anywhere and the gun is obviously not on safe, to me yes it’s hopefully a mistake and worse bad practice and ethics, I hopefully never do it and if I do please call me out for it!
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Using my Taipan at dairies I see a bird, or several, every one minute and get a shot opportunity every five minutes. I ALWAYS uncock it when the shot opp goes way.
It's dangerous and completely unnecessary to leave a gun cocked for any longer than you intend to shoot it. Let's not not get wrapped up in "science" / metallurgy and acknowledge that leaving it cocked wears the spring.
It's dangerous and completely unnecessary to leave a gun cocked for any longer than you intend to shoot it. Let's not not get wrapped up in "science" / metallurgy and acknowledge that leaving it cocked wears the spring.
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In addition to the mechanical wear issues mentioned above, the majority of air rifle safeties are simply poorly designed. A safety that blocks trigger movement, even at the sear level, does not prevent the hammer from being released by the cocking piece that holds it. One reason the Taipan Veteran is such a great field rifle, it can be de-cocked with a pellet in the chamber, and will not double load regardless of how many times it might be cocked and de-cocked. Until the rifle is actually fired, the mag will not advance. The HW100 can be operated to do the same, you just disengage the slide that engages the gear that advances the magazine, but you have to remember to do it. For the most part, my rifles are not cocked until I'm taking the shot. Exacerbating the issue, many of us adjust our triggers for minimum sear engagement and light spring tension. If you assume that any safety can fail at any moment, you won't be far wrong.
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although i personally think its questionable behavior, if you like cocked thats your business ..
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The de-cocking feature and no double load is something I CANT LIVE WITHOUT after owning this Taipan.
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And again...
While leaving an airgun cocked for long periods of time seems a little irresponsible, for several reasons.
Despite notes (above) saying otherwise, leaving a compression spring in the compressed (or an extension spring, extended) state for long periods of time will NOT lower it's load capacity.
If a "new" spring is fully compressed and left for a period of time, it's capacity will drop slightly. BUT, after it sits in it's extended, or relaxed position, within hours, it will have it's full (or VERY close) capacity back. I've done multiple tests with high end spring testers and both cheap and very expensive, compression coil springs. This information works. Try it...or read up on the subject in spring design manuals..! One note, the cheaper the spring, the longer it takes for the springs load to return, and the slightly farther it will be from its original load capacity.
NOTE - Heat (internal and external heat) and working cycles are what reduces a springs (any spring) load carrying capacity. Even very high grade material will weaken with heat and cycles.
Again, not a believer, LOOK IT UP in a spring designers manual. Don't just propagate myths, and partial truths.
Mike
While leaving an airgun cocked for long periods of time seems a little irresponsible, for several reasons.
Despite notes (above) saying otherwise, leaving a compression spring in the compressed (or an extension spring, extended) state for long periods of time will NOT lower it's load capacity.
If a "new" spring is fully compressed and left for a period of time, it's capacity will drop slightly. BUT, after it sits in it's extended, or relaxed position, within hours, it will have it's full (or VERY close) capacity back. I've done multiple tests with high end spring testers and both cheap and very expensive, compression coil springs. This information works. Try it...or read up on the subject in spring design manuals..! One note, the cheaper the spring, the longer it takes for the springs load to return, and the slightly farther it will be from its original load capacity.
NOTE - Heat (internal and external heat) and working cycles are what reduces a springs (any spring) load carrying capacity. Even very high grade material will weaken with heat and cycles.
Again, not a believer, LOOK IT UP in a spring designers manual. Don't just propagate myths, and partial truths.
Mike
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If you are able to be absolutely cautious, if you have an electronic trigger you can have a pellet ready to fly always and forever.
No fatigue is possible.
But the possibilities is an accident increase a lot.
No fatigue is possible.
But the possibilities is an accident increase a lot.
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I don't know enough about the electronics to have an informed opinion. But I would not be comfortable carrying my Red Wolf with a pellet chambered. I would be afraid of accidentally disengaging the safety, which would leave me with a very light trigger until the system timed out. And if I got a shooting opportunity, and found the safety off, I might be confused enough to double load it. My use of the RW is almost exclusively from the bench.
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As far as I understand, the system in the Renegades are different. Apparently on the Renegades the safety is mechanical. So whenever you put the safty in the fire possition, you can make the pellet go. No time out applicable.
Also with the Renegade you can make adjustments to the trigger pull to be heavier or lighter.
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No, that won't harm the spring, but not a good rule, IMHO. I do leave mine cocked once position in place while hunting, or during field hunting...That's it...I am human is the reasoning.
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Once a new spring takes it set, it will maintain it for a long time until it wears out.
Replacements are very low cost. I will not however buy SS springs. They fatigue quickly in high power use and break frm metal fatigue I only buy quality music wire springs as they are far superior.
Knife
Replacements are very low cost. I will not however buy SS springs. They fatigue quickly in high power use and break frm metal fatigue I only buy quality music wire springs as they are far superior.
Knife
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It's not a matter of convenience, IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY. BEING PERFECT HUMAN BEINGS WE MAKE MISTAKES. (The only perfect human beings are liers or dead). Decocking an airgun cuts down on injuries and deaths and property damage.
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If I'm pesting or hunting, hammer is cocked and there's a round in the chamber, safety on, trigger finger alongside stock. Works for me, just recently I missed an great opportunity on a rat... Because my hammer spring was not cocked, I squeezed off, nothing! Rat gone, me?, very upset.
I only load 9 pellets in my 10 round mag. This way I decock over the empty hole in the mag for my initial outing. If I don't take a shot and want to decock with one in the chamber? I simply pull out magazine, rotate it to the second empty hole, replace magazine, close bolt while decocking through empty hole. Now I have an uncocked gun with one in the chamber. If a shot presents itself, I simply cycle the bolt and take a shot,
I only load 9 pellets in my 10 round mag. This way I decock over the empty hole in the mag for my initial outing. If I don't take a shot and want to decock with one in the chamber? I simply pull out magazine, rotate it to the second empty hole, replace magazine, close bolt while decocking through empty hole. Now I have an uncocked gun with one in the chamber. If a shot presents itself, I simply cycle the bolt and take a shot,Upvote 0