Leshyi vs. Ataman AP16

Leshiy for sure. You are getting near rifle performance from a 14" (when folded) gun. My .177 Leshiy shoots 1" groups at 50 yards consistently (AA 10.3's at 825fps). I have shot a couple .5" groups but under perfect conditions on a bench with bi-pod and rear bag. Not sure you could expect that from the AP16 as I've never tried one? 



Also like you mentioned spare parts and maintenance may be an issue with Ataman? All kinds of info out there on the EDgun, not so much with Ataman.

No experience with ataman but I do with the Leshiy. I would buy a Leshiy in a heart beat. Accurate, powerful, compact and light weight. It’s the perfect backpack airgun imo. My buddy has one and we do week long backpack trips with our Air Rifles and if I didn’t have so much invested in my prod I would own a Leshiy.

I personally would go for the Leshiy, but I would check out the Lelya as a contender for a backpack gun. It’s a repeater and may be the best of both worlds in your case. 

If you need mulitshot option... buy a slightly bigger bag and go for Lelya 2

I own both, leshiy and Ataman AP16 short (my avatar). Both in .22cal. both awesome guns!

I would get the leshiy because it's already a rifle, and already very quiet. If you don't mind making a really good folding stock for the Ataman, it would service any muti shot requiirement. But its loud, so you may or may not want a moderator. I don't need one where I shoot.

Mine both shoot 28-30 shots per fill at 770 fps with JSB 13.4gr pellts

I'm in the same situation trying to decide on a backpack gun to carry along while bow hunting. I'm considering the same two guns.

Two additional considerations would be:

1) The Ataman can be shot open sights

2) Weight Leshiy - 4.25lbs - Ataman- 2.2lbs

Considering all the other things I will be carrying 2lbs seems like a bunch, but I'm still leaning towards the Leshiy

I love my Leshiy. Its very compact when its folded providing that you are not going to be using the 350mm barrel setup. I actually got a leshiy due to the fact that it is so compact yet still has plenty of power. I run mine with .177 and .22. I do feel that .25 is just to big unless you want to use the longer barrel setup. To me that defeats the purpose of being compact. I can take bolth my leshiy and ocelot with me on a camping trip for example and stuff them both in a small hard case with pellets, range finder and some other things with ease. And on that note that might be something to consider as well. The ocelot pistol. High shot count. I get about 60 shots before needing to air up. I also run a small hawke optics red dot. This thing fits nicely into my fishing tackle bag when I go fishing.

What scopes are you guys using on your sub-carbines? Or which scopes are you considering?



I'm looking at a more economical backpack gun option in .22 — the Artemis PP700, a pistol with detachable foldable stock. Regulated, fully adjustable — 15 FPE is no problem with 25-30 shots/ fill.

$270 + moderator

Matthias