Kral SS valve results!

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Dairyboy

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Here's some results of the SS valve made for the Kral guns! Myself have been testing one in an Mrod with great results which I have sent back for some new upgrades that has been come up with since the prototype versions.

This Kral is a Puncher Breaker in .25 with all thats done different is the SS valve and .187 ports.

Created: 09/29/17 01:26 PM
Description: Kral with JSB .25
Notes 1: SS valve
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 25.40
Temp: 69 °F
BP: 30.01 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
40 848 40.56 21.54
39 856 41.33 21.74
38 859 41.62 21.82
37 862 41.91 21.89
36 868 42.50 22.05
35 874 43.09 22.20
34 875 43.19 22.23
33 879 43.58 22.33
32 884 44.08 22.45
31 885 44.18 22.48
30 892 44.88 22.66
29 889 44.58 22.58
28 889 44.58 22.58
27 892 44.88 22.66
26 882 43.88 22.40
25 891 44.78 22.63
24 879 43.58 22.33
23 882 43.88 22.40
22 884 44.08 22.45
21 885 44.18 22.48
20 880 43.68 22.35
19 878 43.48 22.30
18 879 43.58 22.33
17 877 43.39 22.28
16 870 42.70 22.10
15 874 43.09 22.20
14 871 42.79 22.12
13 870 42.70 22.10
12 858 41.53 21.79
11 867 42.40 22.02
10 861 41.82 21.87
9 859 41.62 21.82
8 855 41.24 21.72
7 860 41.72 21.84
6 852 40.95 21.64
5 849 40.66 21.56
4 845 40.28 21.46
3 858 41.53 21.79
2 857 41.43 21.77
1 849 40.66 21.56
Average: 870.6 FPS
SD: 13.8 FPS
Min: 845 FPS
Max: 892 FPS
Spread: 47 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 871 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00Created: 09/29/17 01:39 PM
Description: Kral .187 ports SS valve
Notes 1:
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 34.00
Temp: 68 °F
BP: 30.04 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
22 821 50.90 27.91
21 827 51.64 28.12
20 831 52.14 28.25
19 836 52.77 28.42
18 839 53.15 28.53
17 845 53.91 28.73
16 854 55.07 29.04
15 840 53.28 28.56
14 843 53.66 28.66
13 844 53.79 28.70
12 839 53.15 28.53
11 845 53.91 28.73
10 839 53.15 28.53
9 836 52.77 28.42
8 841 53.41 28.59
7 836 52.77 28.42
6 837 52.90 28.46
5 840 53.28 28.56
4 832 52.27 28.29
3 822 51.02 27.95
2 829 51.89 28.19
1 816 50.28 27.74
Average: 836.0 FPS
SD: 8.9 FPS
Min: 816 FPS
Max: 854 FPS
Spread: 38 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 836 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00
 
"addertooth"I am not criticizing you Dairyboy... I know you rock.
​But with a 280cc tank, I somehow expected more out of the Kral Puncher Breaker. That is 90cc bigger than what I have on my regulated Marauder; but I get similar numbers. Is there a porting limitation on the Kral?
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22 / 50 & 40 / 40 non regulated imo is impressive. I know what it took me to get my Mrod to those numbers regulated, seems like the Kral Balanced Art / SS Valve can make the Kral reach those magic numbers very easily.

Also why try and pit Troyhammer work against this Valve, seems unnecessary as the more options available for those of us that actually own Kral airguns, the better, but again that's my opinion.

 
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"kkarmical"22 / 50 & 40 / 40 non regulated imo is impressive. I know what it took me to get my Mrod to those numbers regulated, seems like the Kral Balanced Art / SS Valve can make the Kral reach those magic numbers very easily.

Also why try and pit Troyhammer work against this Valve, seems unnecessary as the more options available for those of us that actually own Kral airguns, the better, but again that's my opinion.


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I think what he is saying is that you don't NEED a $180 valve in the gun. Troy is modding the original valve and getting 1/2 of the ES..............at slightly more FPE.
 
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"SilentMatt"
"BigTinBoat"
"Dairyboy" These valves were designed to be regulated or high power.


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Sounds like someone just "re-invented" a Cothran "Balanced" valve
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I too hate progression in the airgun world, we were fine with CO2...

When is your valve coming out Matt?
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Matt (SilentMatt) is there any chance you might be "financially" attached to this "New" valve technology?

I think most of the regulars on here know this is an "advertisement" as the "owner" of this "NEW" company made some "suspicious" posts on this forum a while back thus causing his posting privileges to be revoked. All he ever does is copy others ideas and "promote" them as his own. Ever seen anything "original" from him? NO Bounce hammers, SSG's, TSS's, and now "balanced valves". Research them all...........been done before.
 
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"SilentMatt"
"BigTinBoat"
"Dairyboy" These valves were designed to be regulated or high power.


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Sounds like someone just "re-invented" a Cothran "Balanced" valve
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I too hate progression in the airgun world, we were fine with CO2...

When is your valve coming out Matt?
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When did I ever make claim to producing and distributing any valve tech? My personal valve technology is 100% free to the community (reduced poppet od + valve stem + seat OD for reduced cocking force and better air flow) when coupled with either delrin or peek material makes for much less required hammer energy to open the valve while retaining great long shot counts unregulated with tight es's the same as stock (2-3%) I can make 60 fpe on a 25 gr hammer and just 12lb of spring...most people with the stock valve need near stock hammer weight and that much spring to do so...so please refrain from being obnoxious or ignorant to how 'my valve' works.

I have no investment into the information and techniques I used for the modifications I've done to my valve, and as I've said I published for 100% free both the process and the outcome...I don't claim credit to inventing the methods I used but I certainly shared the science/reasoning behind it all...

Have you been so kind to do the same with your technology...being that you won't be able to patent technology that has already been done in the past 100 times over? There is a very specific reason manufacturers aren't replacing traditional air gun valve tech with this valve tech or any other balanced valve tech, certainly in unregulated rifles...but keep trying to turn something into gold that is more along the lines of patinated copper.

-Matt 
 
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Spool/Semi balanced valves have been used for DECADES.

Any valve with .1875 ports @ 3000 psi with a 21" barrel can make 93~ FPE....its how physics works! Kudos for complying to physics in your tests and not breaking any new ground.

BigBoatTin, you nailed it 100%, these SS valve threads are just advertisements, the valves aren't even available yet for sale and they're just doing as much marketing prior to its release as they can...they are even taking on new air guns to put this valve in before perfecting their first iteration of the valve...which just goes to show where they're intentions are...in the money, not in the tech.

I'll be the first to say it, Dairyboy is posting this and he doesn't even own a Kral...he posted it for Travis/Oldpro.

-Matt

 
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So just posting results is a problem? No one said they were ground breaking all I did was simply post results. 

No one said that a balanced valve was anything new. Since when is making something better an issue? Hmm automobile companies have been doing it for years. Cars have been around for over a century but there still making them and doing upgrades. How can they live with themselves? Lol

Trolls are what they are.

Matt since your valve is so amazing let's see some actual strings instead of your "estimated strings"
 
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"Dairyboy"So just posting results is a problem? No one said they were ground breaking all I did was simply post results. 

No one said that a balanced valve was anything new. Since when is making something better an issue? Hmm automobile companies have been doing it for years. Cars have been around for over a century but there still making them and doing upgrades. How can they live with themselves? Lol

Trolls are what they are.

Matt since your valve is so amazing let's see some actual strings instead of your "estimated strings"
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Posting "results"? I think you are boarding on a Rule #4 violation

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"BigTinBoat"
"kkarmical"22 / 50 & 40 / 40 non regulated imo is impressive. I know what it took me to get my Mrod to those numbers regulated, seems like the Kral Balanced Art / SS Valve can make the Kral reach those magic numbers very easily.

Also why try and pit Troyhammer work against this Valve, seems unnecessary as the more options available for those of us that actually own Kral airguns, the better, but again that's my opinion.


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I think what he is saying is that you don't NEED a $180 valve in the gun. Troy is modding the original valve and getting 1/2 of the ES..............at slightly more FPE.
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Funny thing is my Kral gun that I bought tuned from Travis has parts from Troy and SilentMatt.
So to me it's not really about choosing one over the other, but the best options for an individual gun build, but to some of you guys that obviously have a personal beef with Travis, you're using anything to try and interject your beef out to the masses.
Its kind of funny actually, but then it's pretty sad as well.

At the end of the day, I like the new valve over a modded stock valve, which is why when they become available I'll be buying one along with the sears that SilentMatt is making.
If I was buying the gun from Troyhammer, I would opt for one that he tuned with his valve tune kit.
There's really enough market for these two options and others if you look past the Travis Haters.
 
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BigTinBoat- Yes, I have been manufacturing the valves in question. Not sure why financial is in quotes... As to Travis not having any original ideas, aren't the majority of guns just copies of the other brand with some slight improvements or changes? How many original ideas have you had? 

ackuric- Why do you bash the valve and then say you can't wait to get one in your hands on GTA? It is true that we are in business to make money, as is everyone I know who has a business or works for a living.

It's very clear that you two have a personal vendetta against Travis, your reasons are your own. If you think the valve is garbage, don't buy it.
 
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In regards to the evolution of air guns and "still shooting on co2"

CO2 air guns were invented in the 1870's IIRC

PCP (precharged pneumatic rifles) were invented in the 1700's and possibly even earlier...

You are (believe it or not) wrong with your assumption that we evolved from co2 into HPA, maybe that was your personal growth but not how it happened in reality historically...

You're also incorrect with a vendetta against Travis, I am merely stating the obvious, I'd love to get my hands on this valve to compare it to what my simple 10 cents worth of modifications does and would pay 180$ to test it, but I am willing to bet I'll have to pull strings and possibly teeth to get one in my hands...I have absolutely NO bias, but I am 100% keen on the history of Travis and his 'inventions' aka 'borrowed' designs, from the ssg, to the tss, to now alloy air tubes (which I just 4 months ago made a thread on and followed through with) and a valve that requires less hammer strike to open (again something I suggested around 6 months ago and accomplished well over 3 months ago). My valve isn't in beta phase or being tested, its done and in the field with over 2000 shots through it.

-Matt 
 
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