Kral Fires Up Their Copy Machines

Why do you think they are knock offs? Kral has a unique valve system that out performs most unregulated guns. They have released many different PCPs and seem to be more innovative than a lot of the PCPs presently on the market. They have some models that look like PCPs on the market but then again all PCP makers do.

Up to a point blackdiesal but the airforce guns are kind of unique there is no reasonable reason to copy the shape as it was built.... which is most likely why it has been made like that

Have you seen the Evanix Rex? Looks like an AF gun. Daystates look like the old Rapids, Sumatras look like Careers, and so forth. I'm sure there are a lot more but these are just off the top of my mind. The kicker is that they probably will not offer the AF look a likes in the US market anyway.

Probably easier to see if side by side. But I am in no way arguing they do not look alike. The question is if they are the same internally?

"blackdiesel"Probably easier to see if side by side. But I am in no way arguing they do not look alike. The question is if they are the same internally?

Click to expand...

Completely agree 100% let's compare the internals when they come out. 
I also remember reading somewhere that the Airforce design is based on a logun design. So it appears that a lot of Airgun designs have been borrowed by other manufacturers and what really sets manufacturers apart is the fit and finish and overall quality of their Airgun 
just a thought 

Dave 

Well all I can say for sure is considering the fact that a custom stock would cost about $400 I have to be honest I keep looking at that set up and can't help but wonder just how close they did copy airforce because I do like the furniture. And well I've been known to be a Frankenstein

These are the two I would like to get

The Bigmax



and Jumbo

There is only so much you can do with the looks of a rifle. Pick any rifle and you will be able to find one that looks like it. None of these are clones of anything. They just look like something else. My Talon looks like a Logan, my Career looks like a Browning, my Hatsan looks like a Savage, My Daisy looks like a Winchester. They are all rifles, they all do the same thing. Look at cars Fords look like Chevys, look like dodge, look like Honda. Who cares. They all say they are making a better product. They are all just a variation of the same thing. There is nothing new in any of them. Just done a little different. Pick the one you like and buy it. They all think their's are the best. We all think ours are the best.
The only thing that matters is, at the end of the day when you put your rifle away. Are you happy with it. Who made it, where it was made, how much it cost, and if it looks like another rifle, does not matter. If it put the pellet on the point and it made you smile that is all that counts. This is a hobby. We are in it for fun, If someone wants to bring a product to market for me to look at and maybe buy great. If you don't like it don't buy it.
I fly RC helicopters also. I saw this same type of thing in the RC forums about cloning. Saying it was going to ruin the hobby. The hobby is going down the tube but not from cloning. It is from the manufactures marketing a product to consumers that cost 2 times what the consumers could afford to pay. If this hobby is going to stay strong and grow, we need all the manufactures both high end, and low end making products for us to choose. All of us can not afford a Daystate, and not all of us want a Red Ryder. But all of us want to shoot airguns.

Let the yelling begin
Jimmy

Hi All;

First of all I am from Tukey and I know the factory of Kral Arms and the engineers from the RnD. so as an end user and enthusiast, I see the bright side.

because they are putting lot of effort to get the best in breed products that are somehow available in the market so they are not directly copying them; they are using the existing products as a reference.

So as an end user I am proud of the company because it’s going to add value to the market and as you all know competition grows up the quality…

please consider the other vendors for example Hatsan; Kral arms products are much better in quality perspective then Hatsan.

please keep in mind that,price/performance level the products that you pay for is a great deal with lot of fine tuned details...

(and also some of the models are not available in Turkey so enjoy)

I agree that they're close also. But there's a whole genre of firearms that we just label ARs or black guns. Internally they can be very different, but externally? A logo separates a lot of them. 

I know we love to speculate a lot on the forums, but I can almost assure you, if AirForce has a problem with copyright infringement then THEY will be the ones to get to the bottom of it. 

Most air guns look similar to others when you take them out the stock but so what. I don't know about you guys, but I care a lot more about how a gun performs than how it looks. 

One of my favorite air guns is also one of the ugliest, my Mutant. Someone could copy that look but nobody would buy it unless it performed like a Mutant. I skipped the cheaper Chinese clone even though it looked similar. 

Frankly, if companies start making guns that look and perform like my Mutant for less cash, I would cheer, not boo. Competition is good. It forces companies to up their game to stay ahead of it. 

Any company that expects a popular product not to get replicated so they can have the market to themselves out of some honor code is in for a lot of disappointment. Competition in business is a fact of life. It's capitalism!

Also, out of all the guns to copy in the looks department, Airforce guns would be one of the last ones anyone should want to replicate. They are among the ugliest. They have a following for various valid reasons but none of them are to do with the aesthetics.

The guns that are really worth buying for their looks are not so easy to replicate for less. They are the ones with high grade highly figured walnut and high quality machine-work.

Also, aren't Kral contract manufacturers for some of the other air gun companies? Or maybe they use the same contract manufacturer as some of the other companies. 

Either way, I wouldn't always assume that some of these brands own the designs for their guns, or that they even designed them at all. 

Some of you may recall the noise around JKhan when they first came to the states when people found out that they were made by the same contract manufacturer as Evanix. Perhaps Hyundai owns some or all of those designs and are free to sell them on an OEM model to whichever brands they like. 

Guns like the Hatsan AT44 were around under different brand names before the Hatsan variant. 

Manufacturers copying one another... where did I see that before?

-


-



-


-


I think it will come down to quality and $$

If anyone wants to see how customers benefit from a gun design being taken on by multiple manufacturers, just take a look at the firearms market.

Guns like the AR15 and the AK's can be bought from hundreds of different manufacturers. They have become more than just a gun model. They are platform that is available to all customers at any level from basic parts kits to custom competition level target rifles. They have an upgrade path from any level. They are supported with thousands of awesome aftermarket accessories.

To get access to the latest innovations, you can simply upgrade your existing gun while keeping the components you like. They aren't forced to constantly buy whole new $2000 guns every time someone thinks of a new feature. 

An AR can be a gun for life. I wish we had air gun platforms that were that versatile and that well supported with aftermarket upgrades. For that to be a possibility for air guns, multiple manufacturers have to be able to focus on a single platform.

All this reinventing the wheel is very wasteful for all involved. 

"blackdiesel"These are the two I would like to get

The Bigmax



and Jumbo

Click to expand...

+1 blackdiesel
You sir have good taste!