Are Kral Air Guns under rated?

Qball- what guns from Kral have you had?

No, not Hatsan. Kral. What parts could you not find?? 

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I don’t have any Kral because back when I look at them they has zero parts available anywhere Or Google can find. Even as of 5 minutes ago there are scantly a dozen parts available at pyramid. I could be lacking in google foo but I can’t find parts for them.



crosman and FX on the other hand have exploded diagrams of every single gun and part so I just need to find the part number and order directly. No Google foo is even needed nor unknown third part parts. This is kind of service and parts availability I like to have for the guns I buy. Why? Because I once a while F* up my guns and need parts. Where do you get a whole trigger assembly for any of the kral guns? 



correct me if I’m wrong about Kral, I’m happy to be wrong. 

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https://canadashootingsupply.ca/product/kral-sear-parts/



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Don't f'up your gun by doing stupid sheet to it. I get it, you and motorheap are snobs that can't stand when people don't value your opinions. Ok. Don't worry about what I shoot or what I recommend to other people. You do you, and I will take care of me.

When you are the type of customer that needs concierge service, you pay for it. The FX guns are the I-phones of the airgun world. Over hyped, over priced, released with major flaws and all the Kool kids get their parent to buy them the latest I-gun 14, or is it now I-gun 15???? I am a happy Android user.

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Don't f'up your gun by doing stupid sheet to it. I get it, you and motorheap are snobs that can't stand when people don't value your opinions. Ok. Don't worry about what I shoot or what I recommend to other people. You do you, and I will take care of me.

When you are the type of customer that needs concierge service, you pay for it. The FX guns are the I-phones of the airgun world. Over hyped, over priced, released with major flaws and all the Kool kids get their parent to buy them the latest I-gun 14, or is it now I-gun 15???? I am a happy Android user.

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LOL! Are you really sure you are happy with what you have!? Or you just all bent out of shape and start calling “you people” and “cool kids” because you intentionally or not want to join but didn’t? Aren’t we a bit old for this?



first: Motörhead hates FX so your statement on is obviously flawed. Granted he own an raptor which has no parts support but he makes them himself, I can’t so he probably will take offense to your generalization and lumping me in with him.

second: while I have 4 FX guns I have 5 crosman guns and then Artimis and airarms on top of many other guns and brands I bought and sold last couple of years. So I’m more of a crosman owner more so than FX owner by number, didn’t realize crosman is so hip and trendy like iPhones.

Third: “Don't f'up your gun by doing stupid sheet to it.” in your own words: “You do you, and I will take care of me.” What fun is it if I leave my guns alone?

Fourth: while it’s great your Google foo is better than mine but I’ll go back to my earlier statement that crosman and FX have FACTORY parts support not from some retailer that would just discontinue selling items when they are just collect dust. Again: both crosman and FX have exploded diagram of all their guns and part numbers and I can order directly from the any part I need so I won’t have to search the internet and hope to find the right part and hope it would fit or work and hope they still carry it when I need it. I’m doing that right now just to get a hammer spring adjuster and couple of orings for my air arms and have to get them all the way from UK, this is the last UK gun I’ll own, too much pain in the butt.


Lastly: maybe there are reasons some guns have huge followings and all the “cool kids” want them? Just a thought. 




back to OP: I do have a PP700 and parts availability is bad but it shoots very well so I do consider a very under valued disposable gun because it’s 259 bucks. When kral are selling for 600-700 then it’s above my thresh hold for disposable gun price because that’s twice as much as I would spend on something disposable. 400 more bones and you are already at a very nice dreamline. 600 dollars a lot more money then crosman Turkey guns on sale right now for less than 500! And you know CROSMAN will have parts for them for YEARS.

Hmmmm interesting thread, kinda confused here;

It's clear that parts are available if the distributor chooses to carry them,

It's clear that Kral is a solid, big operation ( way bigger then a lot of High End guns manufacturers ) so I don't see the riding in the sunset.

.....So where is the argument there ?

Even if not, when you have a dedicated tuner parts can be made easily, also how much can really go wrong with a PCP but O-rings and maybe springs ? and those can be found anywhere.

For the price of a Kral you get a lot of gun indeed and with Troy's commitment and back up it's a super safe bet.

Take me out of the equation and you're still getting a quality gun that performs out of the box beyond the price. Does anyone really think that turkish Crosman/Benjamin guns will have parts and Kral not. Kral/Reximex/Kuzey are all ran by the same family and a singular CEO of you will. At some point every gun has the potential to cost more to repair than the value just like an automobile or home appliance. Neither of which are really consider disposable in that same context. The fact that the company has really tripled considering the other two family brands over the past 5 years and the Velocity Outdoors contact I'm guessing you'll see other companies leave our market before Kral or the family of. 

It was not Troy who was confused about the bullet weight, it was in fact me.. Troy advised me it was in fact the 45.6 grain swc not the 47.7 round nose boattail.

Thattakes the FPE down to 89.9 FPE. Still a great tune, by a honest and talented tuner.

Troy is still the go to guy for all things Kral, and I am getting senile.

Roachcreek

Hmmmm interesting thread, kinda confused here;

It's clear that parts are available if the distributor chooses to carry them,

It's clear that Kral is a solid, big operation ( way bigger then a lot of High End guns manufacturers ) so I don't see the riding in the sunset.

.....So where is the argument there ?

Even if not, when you have a dedicated tuner parts can be made easily, also how much can really go wrong with a PCP but O-rings and maybe springs ? and those can be found anywhere.

For the price of a Kral you get a lot of gun indeed and with Troy's commitment and back up it's a super safe bet.

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There is not argument anywhere, just some options and I've already said enough about what I think of opinions! LOL 

It is my opinion from my personal experience owning different guns that if I need anything it's a pain if the manufacture doesn't support it directly. Spent hours looking for parts for my BAS, Artemis and AirArms and decided I have better use of my time. With Crosman and FX I just go to their site, find the diagram, locate the part and order, could be done in minutes most of the time. That has nothing to do with how long the company will be around, Hatsan been around and will be around but I won't touch them with a 10ft pole. It's purely my experience as a paying customer, if you are better at finding part on the internet then power to you. 

As far as tuner goes, I once bought a PP750 and had it tuned. He was good but the gun wasn't quite shooting how I want to and getting help isn't that easy because he was busy. My biggest gripe with a single person supporting a gun is that he is a single person, if he decides to stop doing what he does then I'm SOL. I'm in technologies so I always have backups for my backups. 

Buy what you want and be happy......or not. At least to me it really doesn't matter what other people thinks as long as you are happy with the purchase you made with your money. This is forum and some of us are trying to help with some opinions from our experience but still just opinions. I have FX guns and I certainly don't get bent out of shape or less happy with my FX guns because of some people of the internet think FX is horrible, there is no shortage of FX haters around here as we all know. LOL!

Crosman without the parts availability would be a dead company, nobody would touch their guns,....FX is the company that I hear has the more failures ( big or small ) they better have parts available in a hurry  

Crosman without the parts availability would be a dead company, nobody would touch their guns,....FX is the company that I hear has the more failures ( big or small ) they better have parts available in a hurry

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LOL, whatever you say man. 

I am going to embarrass and humiliate myself. Display my profound ignorance. So I ll take the beating to be better informed. 


I have been shooting air for ten years. Three years at various club matches. In that time I have seen and shot several Krals. Some of them were excellent shooters. I’ve seen or shot near everything else from Europe and Russia. Found the Ataman be be quite a good gun. Enough to buy a M2. 

But, I have, never outside of this forum seem, or touched or met the owner of a Leshiy, Uragun, Tiapan, Altaros, Air Marks or Edgun. Not once. Not anywhere. At least not on the west cost of the US and Arizona and close by western states. 

Does all of this dialogue concerning parts apply to them as well? Where are they? I know the owners are fond of them. Just seem hidden in the wild.

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This conversation is not about parts....

This was turned into a high school argument where certain kids spend a buttload of money on something then turn around and try to defecate on anyone that doesn't over pay the way they did. We live in a world where the easiest way to elevate one's self is to knock the other person down. 

Most people outgrow that nonsense but apparently not all do. 

BrickTop,

No one is knocking you down. If you want to buy and shoot a Kral, go for it, but what you should not is sell BS. Krals are not a financial savings. They are not high quality. Their performance is spotty at best and product support is NOT supported by the factory. 

this right here is the hammer hitting the nails head. I can guarantee if we were all face to face the majority of the chest puffing fools would be standing with their hats in their hands kissing major @$$ instead

Under rated (Kral), over rated (insert your choice here)? Who cares? What matters is that the end user makes their choice with their money. If the PCP suits and satisfies them and performs as expected by the buyer? Then its a non issue. This thread has actually made me want to take a closer look at Kral PCPs.

This conversation is not about parts....

This was turned into a high school argument where certain kids spend a buttload of money on something then turn around and try to defecate on anyone that doesn't over pay the way they did. We live in a world where the easiest way to elevate one's self is to knock the other person down. 

Most people outgrow that nonsense but apparently not all do.

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Is it me or your post is rather oxymoron? Had you only said “We live in a world where the easiest way to elevate one's self is to knock the other person down.” Then you indeed took the high road but you did exactly what you said, knocking others before and after your “high road” statement. The struggle is real! LOL! 

BrickTop,

No one is knocking you down. If you want to buy and shoot a Kral, go for it, but what you should not is sell BS. Krals are not a financial savings. They are not high quality. Their performance is spotty at best and product support is NOT supported by the factory.

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Obviously some of our opinions don’t align with some and that’s normal. What I found interesting is think I got called out for owning sub $450 made in the USA crosman guns that I know will last forever thanks to parts and support overpaying. Apparently Chinese or Turkey guns with no support or parts for 600-700 dollars is underpaying and biggest under valued/rated guns ever. Intriguing,,,,,,,I must be completely wrong this whole time.




To OP: one of the most under valued PCP currently is the Gamo urban when it comes to quality, price and performance. Still don’t know about the support and parts but it’s a BSA so finding parts just takes some work. 

Bricktop,

You are correct.

It tastes and smells of sour grapes and leaves one to ask why. I have read this forum for years and recognize the posts in this thread for what they are.

It is also enlightening to me and verifies what I have learned over the years one thing for me is that I criticize buyers of Chinese guns, and I will strive to lessen that rude behavior.

What I buy is my business, and I can not express the frustration I feel. But I have read enough here to validate where it is coming from.

I thank you guys for my lesson in your personalities and mine.

And about Troy Hammer and Kral, I stand convinced of my opinion.



Roachcreek

Every one is WAY TOO THINNED SKINNED if having a forum conversation ruffled your feathers enough to make personal attacks or tell others there snobs.

That right there is the most childish and immature of defending ones differing opinion.



I'm soooo done .... 

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So, for the ones in the know;



What guns should we all buy ? what are the brands worth spending your money in ?

Crosman without the parts availability would be a dead company, nobody would touch their guns,....FX is the company that I hear has the more failures ( big or small ) they better have parts available in a hurry

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LOL, whatever you say man.

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Quite funny, just now I was reading this post on an other forum 

" I waited patientently for my Fortitude to arrive from Pyramyd Air. It got her today set up a scope , pumped it up t0 3000 psi as per instructions. Went to sight it in and six shots later it was down to zero on my air gauge. NO surprize, with the quality of assembly coming out of Crosman. I will either return it or get it fixed, don't know yet. My Umarex Origin, and Beeman Chief II had no problems I might add. Oh well. one way or the other I will get it done. "



Hahaha, again if Crosman didn't have the extreme part support they have nobody would touch their guns,....other brands that are put down you can buy their guns and not have a single problem for a decade, I take that over parts support anyday.