KalibrGun Ocelot. To buy or not?

STOP THE PRESSES, BT!

I did not find the trigger on an Ocelot I bought used to be heavy or bad, but you need to read the attached chapter from my fifth book, Custom, Classic and Otherwise AWESOME AIR PISTOLS! Sorry if you're dyslexic or allergic to reading, because it's a long chapter; but you need to suffer through the whole, long-ass chapter anyway. You're welcome.

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Thanks for the reading. It was interesting. I really would like to have an accurate FT type pistol that I don't have to tinker with. Any come to mind?



thanks

OS, I am often asked questions like your's... for good reason(s)! Thankfully the answer is very easy.

Unless you're willing to spend over $1,000 (new), the ONLY gun to consider is the Crosman 1720T (for about $450, I think). But even so, you might need to do a little, easy tinkering like trigger and power adjustments that are well-explained in the excellent owners manual. I've probably sold close to a dozen 1720Ts for Crosman because of other statements I often make.

1) The 1720T will shoot with any air pistol at any price.

2) The 1720T (and other Crosman PCPS for that matter) are some of the easiest airguns ever made to work on and/or modify (Ones-self), get replacement parts for (cheap) if you do mess up, without having to order them from overseas.

3) Dig this-

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Gasman, so if you had a 1000.00 dollar in your happy wallet would you consider a HW 44, it isn't a cheap I mean inexpensive pistol but the quality should be there but maybe not the shot count

and the chapter was a good read, I mean great read or something like that

I've owned both the Kalibergun Ocelot and the HW44. I still own the HW44. 

The Ocelot is quite impressive but it's heavy, loud, single shot, overly heavy trigger. On the other hand the regulator is impressive and shot to shot fps and accuracy is impressive. 

The HW44 get's about the same amount of shots per fill but has a superb trigger, 10-shot magazine, holds much better, is lighter, and for me just as accurate. It's the more enjoyable gun to shoot and would highly recommend it.

Actually, I have a .22 Ranchero carbine. It's my goto gun for plinking. I don't like the pistol format of the Ranchero as it's too long for a single hand hold. But, in carbine form it's a nice short and very accurate shooter with a sublime match trigger.

Per the attached chapter, I was not impressed with the Ocelot. As for what previous owners might have done to it other than scratch it up and break the grip, I won't speculate; other than to say I found the gun fine functionally, but not accurate. I don't believe the firing mechanisms (valve, hammer, or reg) were compromised. Yes, the carbon tape was on it when I got it.

I have not shot or even seen an HW44, other than photos. However I used an HW110 as my Hunter Class FT rifle for a couple seasons (including an AAFTA Grand Prix title). The 110 shot fine, but was kind of the polar-opposite of Crosman PCPs as regards the adage "simplicity is the hallmark of good design". Simple it WASN'T. In fact when it needed resealing there was no-one in the U.S. to do it. So I had to order the parts from overseas and service it myself (while holding my breath and praying). And assuming the 110 had at least as nice a trigger-action as their PCP pistol, my 1720T trigger is on the same level and much easier to adjust (6-8 ounce crisp let-off). So all that said, no, I wouldn't buy an HW44 if I had a thousand-dollar bill burning a hole in my pocket.

First, and though I fully realize I might be the last survivor of OAS (Over-active Aesthetics Syndrome), the HW44 offends my old-school aesthetic sensibilities with its abundant gaudiness, Pic-rails, and plastic. Yes, I replaced the plastic grips and fore-end on my 1720T with WALNUT.

Secondly, an HW44 won't outshoot a 1720T.

Thirdly, do you know how much Jose' Cuervo or Lone Star the $500+ price difference will buy a Texan? Well, I'll tell you... Almost a full WEEKS supply! (Assuming I'm moderating)

but some times you bring out the Corvette and leave the Ford at home to buy said spirits

one can own both even if they do the same thing and if you don't, how can you become a collector of fine guns

but you are right the Crosman has good value and I'm thinking if we own air guns we better be able to work on them and I have never figured out why HW parts are hard to get but that's another post 

I've owned both the Kalibergun Ocelot and the HW44. I still own the HW44. 

The Ocelot is quite impressive but it's heavy, loud, single shot, overly heavy trigger. On the other hand the regulator is impressive and shot to shot fps and accuracy is impressive. 

The HW44 get's about the same amount of shots per fill but has a superb trigger, 10-shot magazine, holds much better, is lighter, and for me just as accurate. It's the more enjoyable gun to shoot and would highly recommend it.

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I will agree that the Ocelot is a bit heavy. It is loud thats for sure. Single shot is not an issue for myself. Now the trigger you mentioned that it was heavy. Mine is very light and was easy to adjust without having to do any modifications to it. Its more then likely the lightest of all of my airguns so far. Honestly I really like my Ocelot a great deal. I wish I could get a bit more power out of it. Not that its under powered in any way. I did adjust the reg and found that without a stronger hammer spring its just not going to happen. At least thats what I am thinking at this point. I never did really look into it. Im fine with it as is.

Well I'am just going to jump in here. My first foray into PCP pistols is/was a Crosman 1720P with a Burris red dot with a 3 MOA dot. It has a fine trigger and for my first PCP it is incredibly accurate. The Burris optics are really surprisingly good with a lifetime warranty. I have owned Eotech and AimPoint for my AR platforms however I feel they are a bit over kill for your application. BTW I found both the Crosman and the red dot here on the forun and both were LNIB ! I suggest starting with a pistol that has good parts support and a larger base of ownership as that is what you will need when you want to modify/upgrade or have issues. I count AirNGasman a personal friend that I have yet to meet as he has spent hours on the phone supporting me. Buy his book it also a great investment. He has done all the "hurting" so you don't have to.....LOL Here is a picture of my little Crosman. Good Luck !!!

Nice rig Mark. Looks like something I'd do.

You didn't realize the price of my book also includes lifetime airgun-tech support?

Curious how the ataman ap16 would do? I have heard nothing compares but not a ton of information out there.

 I like the USA built air pistols,not because they are USA built,it helps,but because they can Not be bested in terms of $$$ and customization.

Sure as ##$$ we are always looking to get the best we "think" would be the best,yet what is the best for the purpose you want to use the pistol for.

You want it both ways or a specific way?You going to rest it or shot offhand....

What are you looking for and why,research more;from what I know your money is better spent elsewhere.

if you are looking for power HW44 may suit you better.

I like my Prod,my 1720 and 1700,sure I think about getting a HW44,but then I would rather spend the money on customization of what I have.

What distances are you planning on shooting,this answer should help you on what to look for in you search.

How about EDGUN veles? I feel pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XagIwtbLI2w

If you can find one Veles is the nicest air pistol I’ve ever shot.

mike

Now just my 2¢ but the Ap16 & the Ocelot are in a league of their own! I often shoot them both out to 50yds easy. Yes, both are loud the Ap16 Donnyfl has a fix for that. As for the Oceloct well, I've seen custom options on the web and there is supposed to be a Russian airgun dealer that makes a threaded muzzle insert but I have yet to find a way to contact him. Until then I just rewrapped the barrel insert with a better quality piece of felt, hushes it up better but not all the way. I threw in a photo of my 2240 because well, I love that pistol!! Oh, and to say the Ocelot isn't much louder than it is unmoderated. The reason I posted the P-Rod is because it's "Frankensteined" out with rare Lloyd Double Tube setup with a TJ barrel its a slug shooter now and all but it still ain't on the Ocelot or Ap16s level. Now I also own a SPA 700 & 750 they are clones basically of the two guns. But I'm selling both if that says anything.... Good, cheap pistols and decent quality too. But having the REAL versions I don't even touch the fake wanna be clones. 

My ocelot seems accurate, but with the 250# trigger, who would know? OK, it's not really *that* bad, but the trigger is horribly heavy (maybe 14#) and I just haven't gotten around to doing anything about it. The grip also sucks, and may not be easily fixed as it's trying to cover up a square boss on the frame - we'll see. It's reasonably accurate - I only have a dot on it, so can't vouch for any tackdriving capabilities. Quality seems good all 'round. Just needs some serious tuning.

GsT

Someone recently scored a super duper good deal for $250 per Ocelot from AGW and there were 2 of them for $250 each without grips.