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    AirgunBill
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    Got my order of JSB Hades .22 cal. at 15.89 grains recently. As some of you might know I have been testing pellets for penetration for use inside buildings for pesting. I got out my FX Streamline and did some more penetration testing into a clay block at 28 yards at power wheel setting 1,2 and 3. What I found was that the Hades had less penetration per fpe than the other tested pellets, plus even had some expansion at the mid PW setting of 2. I believe the good expansion is helping on limiting penetration and will help transfer the energy to the target. The real world test will be in the field as they say or more precisely the inside of barns. As some of you might note my other tested pellets even at 11 to 13 fpe were passing through the pigeons and slapping the tin roofs. Well yesterday at PW 2 at 17.29 fpe! I did not have one pass through. Now the next question was how would the Hades perform at PW 3 at 915 fps for 29.54 fpe. Would they be accurate at longer ranges, would they put the pigeons down. I know with the JSB 18 grain domes they would pass through with the pigeons often flying off to die soon afterwards. Well watch the video and you will they did very well at long range too. Finally I have been prepping my Impact .22 with NSA 23's to try some long range for me shots and finally made the connection. Oh Boy! Bill

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    GiveEmLead
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    I can tell you they have been a noticeable improvement over my previous loads in the iguana hunt.  Unlike with pigeons, pass-throughs are rare and not a concern anyway, but damn if those Hades pellets just kill better. I think the expansion is key. Nice permission you have there!

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    lenweber2
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    H & N Terminator does near the same.

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    AirgunBill
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    lenweber2

    H & N Terminator does near the same.

    Yes the Terminators do a good job out to say 50 yards but with a b.c. of 0,0214 vs 0.0310 for the Hades the Hades with allow you to reach out further. Bill

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    AirgunBill

    Yes the Terminators do a good job out to say 50 yards but with a b.c. of 0.0214 vs 0.0310 for the Hades.

    Bill

     

    AirgunBill,

    Great post, great video. I recently discovered your channel on Youtube, and now I find you here. πŸ‘πŸΌ

     

    I'm very interested in BC numbers. 

    Would you share where these numbers come from? 😊 

     

    Like if it is from a published list, or a test someone or even a test you yourself? (For a test it would be very interesting with what equipment, at what range, and with what muzzle velocity… — and whether the ballistic calculator was used the airpressure and temperature of the test.)

     

    Matthias

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    intenseaty22
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    Most definitely the real deal. I like them a lot. Great accuracy/consistency at my ranges of less than 35 yards (far as I can do here) and noticeable more terminal damage even when they don’t defragment. Watched* video, great shooting. Thanks for sharing!  

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    My experience is that they do a lot more damage than the regular domes. I have seen where people complain that the Hades do not mushroom but I don't think they were ever intended to mushroom. The head when encounters flesh and bone gets miss-mashed around and cuts and rips flesh most of the ones that I have recovered have had bits of meat and bone stuck in the grooves. And I have recovered a few that tumbled and they really make a mess. As far as accuracy goes they shoot almost as good as the JSB 15.89 and 18.1 grain pellets out to fifty yards past that the domes do shoot better at least in my .22's. My .25 Veteran shoots both the Hades and the 25.4 grain JSB very well out to 100 yards with very little difference in the drop and accuracy.

    RB 

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    Gerry52
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    Been using them in my Royale 500 since this past December. I have yet to have a pass through even as close as 30 yards. For me & my gun they're the real deal but, we all know, airguns are incredibly finicky and everyone's mileage may vary.  I'm a big one for the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy & my particular gun/ammo combo definitely AIN'T BROKE! 

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    I did "squirrel clean-up" from my bird feeder and garden a few weeks ago and shot 7 tomato thieves (25 yds) with the .22 Hades and they definitely do more damage than the domes. The Hades have enough shock to make their eyes bug out of their head and has a pretty large exit hole. All 7 were pass-through's, but my RTI Priest 2 is shooting them at around 1025 fps.

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    I've avoided any type of "hunting" pellets for years because I've had some major accuracy issues in the past, but recently got my hands on a couple tins of the 15.89gn Hades in .22 and have been running them through their paces in my Dreamlite Compact shooting those at an average of 860fps. Below is a pic of their accuracy at 30 yds. Hades on the top row. JSB Exact 15.89 the row below that, and the JSB Exact 18.13 on the bottom row. Each has three groups of six shots (18rd mag). Red circle is exactly 1" diameter, green is exactly 0.5" diameter. I was quite impressed with the Hades, and had very similar results during the 50yd test, but didn't take a pic. They'll be in the field with me when our small game season opens up in just a couple weeks here in MD.

    Not sure what happened with those JSB 18s… Gun surely didn't like them for some reason, at least compared to the other two.

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    JungleShooter

    AirgunBill

    Yes the Terminators do a good job out to say 50 yards but with a b.c. of 0.0214 vs 0.0310 for the Hades.

    Bill

     

    AirgunBill,

    Great post, great video. I recently discovered your channel on Youtube, and now I find you here. πŸ‘πŸΌ

     

    I'm very interested in BC numbers. 

    Would you share where these numbers come from? 😊 

     

    Like if it is from a published list, or a test someone or even a test you yourself? (For a test it would be very interesting with what equipment, at what range, and with what muzzle velocity… — and whether the ballistic calculator was used the airpressure and temperature of the test.)

     

    Matthias

    Matthias at the time I believe I was just using the same b.c. of the JSB Exacts which was the wrong thing to do. I see Roelf did a technical review of the Hades and used a Lab Radar to get a b.c. of 0.023. Bill

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    My experience is that they do a lot more damage than the regular domes. I have seen where people complain that the Hades do not mushroom but I don't think they were ever intended to mushroom. The head when encounters flesh and bone gets miss-mashed around and cuts and rips flesh most of the ones that I have recovered have had bits of meat and bone stuck in the grooves. And I have recovered a few that tumbled and they really make a mess. As far as accuracy goes they shoot almost as good as the JSB 15.89 and 18.1 grain pellets out to fifty yards past that the domes do shoot better at least in my .22's. My .25 Veteran shoots both the Hades and the 25.4 grain JSB very well out to 100 yards with very little difference in the drop and accuracy.

    RB 

    I am with you on why the Hades do the damage they do and not by mushrooming. In the past I was using clay to judge penetration and expansion which is not as good as using the Clear Ballistics brand of gel. While with the clay you might be able to use it for comparing the relative penetration of different pellet it is not good for judging actual expansion. All I know is the Hades have much better take down power compared to domes for body shoots on birds and small critters. Now if you are doing head shots stick with domes for the better b.c. penetration and long range accuracy. Bill

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    JungleShooter
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    Bill, 😊

    thank you so much for clarifying the Hades BC. And thanks for the link! Excellent! πŸ‘πŸΌ

     

     

    I also wanted to tell you how much I appreciate you upgrading from clay to ballistic gel!  πŸ‘πŸΌ

    Just with BC, I'm very interested in the expansion of pellets and slugs (.22) — and as you said — clay is unsuitable for this task.

    Clay and play-dough are harder than animal flesh andballistic gel (DIY or bought gel). βž” Therefore the projectiles expand more in clay then they would in animal flesh. 😟

     

    I've been following your expansion test on your YouTube channel. Great job! πŸ‘πŸΌ

    I have looked at many, many expansion tests in .22… —  but YOU are the only tester* who has cut the ballistic gel to the size and weight of our quarry (a couple inches thick) — instead of using the full 9" block.    *[there might have been one lonely exception]

     

    πŸ”ΊI surely hope you continue expansion testing .22 pellet and slugs!  😊 

     

    Matthias

     

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