JSB Hades – Frangible Hollow Point
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January 29, 2019 at 5:10 am Link
Well that’s a little disappointing, what about at higher velocities, would that pull them apart say a 30 ft/lb gun? Also how are they doing for accuracy and out of what guns?
Well that’s a little disappointing, what about at higher velocities, would that pull them apart say a 30 ft/lb gun? Also how are they doing for accuracy and out of what guns?
January 29, 2019 at 6:54 am LinkMonkeydad1969
Here you guys go. I have been playing with them and so has Tofazfou. I took a squirrel and hit it in spine. The area of the spine where I hit it was completely shattered. No pass thru. That was 15yds doing 727fps/18.65fpe. They don't fragment, but they do open up like a mechanical broadhead. Travis from AGD got "Biohazard pellets" from me when we were talking at Shot.
Below is a pic of the retrieved Hades from the squirrel compared to an intact pellet. Also the Hades Tofazfou shot into glycerin soap.
How about accuracy, how do they compare to regular pellets? I'm sure another 200+ fps will make them fragment.
Monkeydad1969
Here you guys go. I have been playing with them and so has Tofazfou. I took a squirrel and hit it in spine. The area of the spine where I hit it was completely shattered. No pass thru. That was 15yds doing 727fps/18.65fpe. They don't fragment, but they do open up like a mechanical broadhead. Travis from AGD got "Biohazard pellets" from me when we were talking at Shot.
Below is a pic of the retrieved Hades from the squirrel compared to an intact pellet. Also the Hades Tofazfou shot into glycerin soap.
How about accuracy, how do they compare to regular pellets? I'm sure another 200+ fps will make them fragment.
January 29, 2019 at 1:22 pm LinkAfter looking at those pictures more I am going to guess tofazfou was shooting them a little faster. The petals have pulled out much better, so I doubt they are really going to break apart. On the plus side though they do seem to open at lower velocities and they are opening with an aggressive shape to them making for good cutting and tearing. This should have a slight advantage over just a round Hollowpoint. So what will be the most telling if these will have a place in the airgun world will be if they can perform accuracy wise.
After looking at those pictures more I am going to guess tofazfou was shooting them a little faster. The petals have pulled out much better, so I doubt they are really going to break apart. On the plus side though they do seem to open at lower velocities and they are opening with an aggressive shape to them making for good cutting and tearing. This should have a slight advantage over just a round Hollowpoint. So what will be the most telling if these will have a place in the airgun world will be if they can perform accuracy wise.
January 29, 2019 at 1:29 pm LinkAccuracy and ballistic coefficient have priority over expansion. If you can't hit your Target and retain energy at the Target what's the use?
Accuracy and ballistic coefficient have priority over expansion. If you can't hit your Target and retain energy at the Target what's the use?
January 30, 2019 at 6:31 pm LinkSo joe how’s the accuracy?
So joe how’s the accuracy?
January 30, 2019 at 6:52 pm LinkI would.be happy if JSB could cure there quality problem with their .25 and .30 cal pellets before they attempt to market a new one.
I would.be happy if JSB could cure there quality problem with their .25 and .30 cal pellets before they attempt to market a new one.
January 31, 2019 at 11:07 am LinkWhy don’t they make thes in 30 cal!!! Wish someone would make a cross hatched tip in a 30 cal, or even a hollow point. I know there’s the polymags, but I have a problem with buying tins with only a 100 pellets in it for the cost.
Why don’t they make thes in 30 cal!!! Wish someone would make a cross hatched tip in a 30 cal, or even a hollow point. I know there’s the polymags, but I have a problem with buying tins with only a 100 pellets in it for the cost.
February 1, 2019 at 7:35 am Linkthx monkeydad for the info and pics,,you the man!.From the info I don't see these as frangible pellets.It did not fragment.Fragmentation has certain expectations?These r deadly on small game for sure.But it did'nt fragment, sending shrapnel into the immediate area.Fragments of the lead pellet should have been found of say 3/8ths" from the pellet. The pics show the pellet as maintaining it's mass after a close and powerful impact in (ballistic gel?). I think it's just a gimmick really. A good old Daisy FP from 20 years ago would give a quick,lethal result,imop. And wadcutters really do a number on the birds and rodents, and headshots are particularly effective with wadcutters, just has a slightly reduced range.
thx monkeydad for the info and pics,,you the man!.From the info I don't see these as frangible pellets.It did not fragment.Fragmentation has certain expectations?These r deadly on small game for sure.But it did'nt fragment, sending shrapnel into the immediate area.Fragments of the lead pellet should have been found of say 3/8ths" from the pellet. The pics show the pellet as maintaining it's mass after a close and powerful impact in (ballistic gel?). I think it's just a gimmick really. A good old Daisy FP from 20 years ago would give a quick,lethal result,imop. And wadcutters really do a number on the birds and rodents, and headshots are particularly effective with wadcutters, just has a slightly reduced range.
February 3, 2019 at 11:27 pm LinkI do like that there not passing through, this is nice in areas where you don't want collateral damage
I do like that there not passing through, this is nice in areas where you don't want collateral damage
February 3, 2019 at 11:29 pm LinkBigragu
Why don’t they make thes in 30 cal!!! Wish someone would make a cross hatched tip in a 30 cal, or even a hollow point. I know there’s the polymags, but I have a problem with buying tins with only a 100 pellets in it for the cost.
I bet these in large calibers could be frangible.
Bigragu
Why don’t they make thes in 30 cal!!! Wish someone would make a cross hatched tip in a 30 cal, or even a hollow point. I know there’s the polymags, but I have a problem with buying tins with only a 100 pellets in it for the cost.
I bet these in large calibers could be frangible.
February 6, 2019 at 11:18 am LinkAny word on when us average folk will be able to place an order for/ get our hands on these?
Any word on when us average folk will be able to place an order for/ get our hands on these?
February 6, 2019 at 2:17 pm LinkHanebuth96
Any word on when us average folk will be able to place an order for/ get our hands on these?
Supposed to be available in March… I hate waiting.
Hanebuth96
Any word on when us average folk will be able to place an order for/ get our hands on these?
Supposed to be available in March... I hate waiting.February 19, 2019 at 8:17 pm LinkI WANT SOME!!
And I found some. In Germany, and shipping to other European countries is reasonable. I got mine in 3 days (Germany).
Links:
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?414,jsb-hades-5-5-500
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?415,jsb-hades-5-5-250
I WANT SOME!!
And I found some. In Germany, and shipping to other European countries is reasonable. I got mine in 3 days (Germany).
Links:
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?414,jsb-hades-5-5-500
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?415,jsb-hades-5-5-250
February 26, 2019 at 6:51 am LinkJungleShooter
I WANT SOME!!
And I found some. In Germany, and shipping to other European countries is reasonable. I got mine in 3 days (Germany).
Links:
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?414,jsb-hades-5-5-500
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?415,jsb-hades-5-5-250
Lucky let us know how they preform
JungleShooter
I WANT SOME!!
And I found some. In Germany, and shipping to other European countries is reasonable. I got mine in 3 days (Germany).
Links:
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?414,jsb-hades-5-5-500
https://www.jsb-diabolos.de/?415,jsb-hades-5-5-250
Lucky let us know how they preform
February 27, 2019 at 12:54 am LinkJust tested yesterday with my AA510 Extra FAC. Same accuracy results like with the standard JSB 18 grainers … But I got some more flyers with the Hades.
Just tested yesterday with my AA510 Extra FAC. Same accuracy results like with the standard JSB 18 grainers ... But I got some more flyers with the Hades.
February 27, 2019 at 1:37 pm LinkI need to sling these into some gel or clay at 60ft lbs in .25 caliber! I'm sure they will expand and break apart like a charm then.
I need to sling these into some gel or clay at 60ft lbs in .25 caliber! I'm sure they will expand and break apart like a charm then.
March 5, 2019 at 12:33 am LinkPyramyd says they won't be in stock until 4/22/19 (250 count) and 3/18/19 (500 count)
They really need a heavier weight like 20 grains
Pyramyd says they won't be in stock until 4/22/19 (250 count) and 3/18/19 (500 count)
They really need a heavier weight like 20 grains
March 5, 2019 at 8:15 pm LinkI can't wait to try these out on some starlings!
My Taipan Veteran long is laser with 15.89 JSBs at 940fps. The Hades should just explode a starling at that speed if the accuracy stays the same.
James from Michigan,
I can't wait to try these out on some starlings!
My Taipan Veteran long is laser with 15.89 JSBs at 940fps. The Hades should just explode a starling at that speed if the accuracy stays the same.
James from Michigan,
March 6, 2019 at 7:47 pm LinkSorry all. I don't get on the forms much anymore. As said earlier they shoot just as well as the 18 grain. The container should be in this week. Customs isn't our friend. The .25 should be in by June. I am pushing for them in 30 caliber and 357 caliber. Here is a hundred yard group from Travis of AGD…
Sorry all. I don't get on the forms much anymore. As said earlier they shoot just as well as the 18 grain. The container should be in this week. Customs isn't our friend. The .25 should be in by June. I am pushing for them in 30 caliber and 357 caliber. Here is a hundred yard group from Travis of AGD...
March 6, 2019 at 8:10 pm LinkMonkeydad1969
Sorry all. I don't get on the forms much anymore. As said earlier they shoot just as well as the 18 grain. The container should be in this week. Customs isn't our friend. The .25 should be in by June. I am pushing for them in 30 caliber and 357 caliber. Here is a hundred yard group from Travis of AGD…
Thank you for the info. Please push for heavier weights also. There are lots of high power guns on the market now and a 20gn .22 would be awesome. 16gn is good for low power guns.
Monkeydad1969
Sorry all. I don't get on the forms much anymore. As said earlier they shoot just as well as the 18 grain. The container should be in this week. Customs isn't our friend. The .25 should be in by June. I am pushing for them in 30 caliber and 357 caliber. Here is a hundred yard group from Travis of AGD...
Thank you for the info. Please push for heavier weights also. There are lots of high power guns on the market now and a 20gn .22 would be awesome. 16gn is good for low power guns.
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