been keeping an eye out on these 2. being shipped out but very little feedback on the forums. even over at GTA, just stuff from the usual fanboys.
JSAR Raptor and mini....where are the reviews??
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Don't think alot have shipped out yet honestly. I know there still waiting on the ninja regs which have set them back. I told them to hold onto mine for the adjustable reg before shipping but other than that idk how many have them
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FWIW ... In speaking to Travis of JSAR on said subject, Was told that many of the folks purchasing them are NOT forum followers and there personal experiences are not being shared. Sounded like the actual number of rifles ( Granted still not a mass production quantity ) have gone to such folks at a higher ratio than those on the forums ( as you state " Fan Boys" )
I know of 3 folks just in our local AG club that recently ordered rifles too, and while all 3 are AG forum members, there posting never include such subjects of reviews, opinions or such stuff. And time come they get there JSAR Rapors / Mini doubtful they will say a thing publicly about them.
Just sayin ....
I know of 3 folks just in our local AG club that recently ordered rifles too, and while all 3 are AG forum members, there posting never include such subjects of reviews, opinions or such stuff. And time come they get there JSAR Rapors / Mini doubtful they will say a thing publicly about them.
Just sayin ....
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I’m on the same boat here, waiting for real reviews, so far the power I want is there, but nothing about accuracy, I want to get a 22 cal dedicated platform for slugs only.
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I did reach out to JSAR and offer to do a thorough technical review if they would send me a loaner. (Even offered a comparison against the other major slug contender out there: an AAA Slayer I have on loan) Big surprise, I never heard back. I'm guessing they aren't terribly bothered by it, perhaps they are selling more than they can build already.
"In speaking to Travis of JSAR on said subject, Was told that many of the folks purchasing them are NOT forum followers and there personal experiences are not being shared. Sounded like the actual number of rifles ( Granted still not a mass production quantity ) have gone to such folks at a higher ratio than those on the forums ( as you state " Fan Boys" )"
I figure this is pretty typical of virtually all airguns. We on the forums are a teeny tiny minority of the airgun community, so most buyers will be from elsewhere. Even among forum members, most post little and relatively not-technical discourse. The ones who will spend the considerable time and effort to do and then write up a proper review are a minority among a minority.
So yeah, I'm guessing there just aren't that many rifles out there yet, and the most technical among us also tend to be shrewd and skeptical; we have seen too many "optimistic" advertisements over the years.
I see a lot of very clever engineering and potential in the rifle, it definitely is one I'm curious about, but without independent verification I'm not 1k$ curious. Just my thoughts.
"In speaking to Travis of JSAR on said subject, Was told that many of the folks purchasing them are NOT forum followers and there personal experiences are not being shared. Sounded like the actual number of rifles ( Granted still not a mass production quantity ) have gone to such folks at a higher ratio than those on the forums ( as you state " Fan Boys" )"
I figure this is pretty typical of virtually all airguns. We on the forums are a teeny tiny minority of the airgun community, so most buyers will be from elsewhere. Even among forum members, most post little and relatively not-technical discourse. The ones who will spend the considerable time and effort to do and then write up a proper review are a minority among a minority.
So yeah, I'm guessing there just aren't that many rifles out there yet, and the most technical among us also tend to be shrewd and skeptical; we have seen too many "optimistic" advertisements over the years.
I see a lot of very clever engineering and potential in the rifle, it definitely is one I'm curious about, but without independent verification I'm not 1k$ curious. Just my thoughts.
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I have one on order, I think it will be a great gun and like that I can change calibers for testing.
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They've posted some vids in here. A few demonstrating a .22 Mini with accuracy of both JSB Hades and 24.8gr NSAs at 60yds
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/jsar-raptor-update/page/2/
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/jsar-raptor-update/page/2/
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I found it weird that Travis made a video with expert airgun reviews with no actual shooting. Initially I figured they would just release another video where they actually use it but that never happened. I was already pretty skeptical due to it being a new producer, but this raises a flag imo. Why meet up with them and bring 2 guns if you aren't going to show any accuracy test.
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Lothar Walther. (Considered leaving it at that and probably should have but....).
As long as the air delivery system gives a consistent puff of air to the back of the pellet, the guns should be accurate.
Yes, barrel prep work (lead, crown, polishing of the rifling) can optimize accuracy and yes, a bad barrel comes from LW occasionally, but many (most?) other high end airgun companies are using the same brand of barrel. With the exception of FX, but that's a whole different can of worms, cost-cutting, profit-enhancing worms.
If you're willing to follow who is getting guns and when they're getting them you can see the first person accounts of accuracy. A guy down south received one maybe six weeks ago in .177. Purchased for his daughter for field target. He posted some accuracy results on GTA with a variety of pellets, either today or yesterday. He's kinda got a running review going. A guy in New York I think got one about three weeks ago and made some short little videos standing in front of a pool table with the Raptor sitting on it. In one of those videos he also shows a tiny little group shot with his Raptor. Travis has also posted more than a handful of videos, usually on Facebook, of accuracy results from the Raptor variants, in multiple calibers, power output and even pellets and slugs from the same barrel.
The info is out there, you just gotta dig a little since the marketing bucks aren't there and JSAR doesn't have the biggest YouTube personalities on payroll.
I've got one on order. I may sound like a fanboy but I intend to post results, positive or negative. If I expected negative I wouldn't have ordered it though.
So, LW barrels and each gun gets tested extensively before it ships out. I'd hazard a guess that they're getting tested more thoroughly than most more recognized airgun manufacturers test before they ship the guns out to their dealers. The fact that JSAR really needs to prove themselves right now makes me even more confident that they're making sure each one that leaves the shop is exceptional. At this point in their venture, they can't afford to let a dud out the door.
As long as the air delivery system gives a consistent puff of air to the back of the pellet, the guns should be accurate.
Yes, barrel prep work (lead, crown, polishing of the rifling) can optimize accuracy and yes, a bad barrel comes from LW occasionally, but many (most?) other high end airgun companies are using the same brand of barrel. With the exception of FX, but that's a whole different can of worms, cost-cutting, profit-enhancing worms.
If you're willing to follow who is getting guns and when they're getting them you can see the first person accounts of accuracy. A guy down south received one maybe six weeks ago in .177. Purchased for his daughter for field target. He posted some accuracy results on GTA with a variety of pellets, either today or yesterday. He's kinda got a running review going. A guy in New York I think got one about three weeks ago and made some short little videos standing in front of a pool table with the Raptor sitting on it. In one of those videos he also shows a tiny little group shot with his Raptor. Travis has also posted more than a handful of videos, usually on Facebook, of accuracy results from the Raptor variants, in multiple calibers, power output and even pellets and slugs from the same barrel.
The info is out there, you just gotta dig a little since the marketing bucks aren't there and JSAR doesn't have the biggest YouTube personalities on payroll.
I've got one on order. I may sound like a fanboy but I intend to post results, positive or negative. If I expected negative I wouldn't have ordered it though.
So, LW barrels and each gun gets tested extensively before it ships out. I'd hazard a guess that they're getting tested more thoroughly than most more recognized airgun manufacturers test before they ship the guns out to their dealers. The fact that JSAR really needs to prove themselves right now makes me even more confident that they're making sure each one that leaves the shop is exceptional. At this point in their venture, they can't afford to let a dud out the door.
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Good evening all,
Not to give a full review yet, I have received my Raptor .22 with a slug barrel a week ago. I just went through my first round of pellets ~100 just to get a feel of it. you can read what feedback I gave here.
I know JSAR is busy and have a lot on their plate. I would say that the craftsmanship is of prime quality and the gun is a beauty, I agree that that doesn't make it a good AG but it does take a part of it. So far I love mine. Regarding the Ninja reg, they have decided to ship the Raptor without it for now and will send it when they a batch and have tested them. We will have to send the old one back. Talking to them last week, they are looking at 8 weeks or so from order, as I asked how long it would take if I was going to order the mini now.
I hope that helps. And a week in, if I had to buy it again my answer would be yes. My2C
Papy_Yosh
Not to give a full review yet, I have received my Raptor .22 with a slug barrel a week ago. I just went through my first round of pellets ~100 just to get a feel of it. you can read what feedback I gave here.
I know JSAR is busy and have a lot on their plate. I would say that the craftsmanship is of prime quality and the gun is a beauty, I agree that that doesn't make it a good AG but it does take a part of it. So far I love mine. Regarding the Ninja reg, they have decided to ship the Raptor without it for now and will send it when they a batch and have tested them. We will have to send the old one back. Talking to them last week, they are looking at 8 weeks or so from order, as I asked how long it would take if I was going to order the mini now.
I hope that helps. And a week in, if I had to buy it again my answer would be yes. My2C
Papy_Yosh
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I don't know how realistic the 8 week lead time is. That may be an estimate if an order is placed today. Tomorrow will be 11 weeks from the day I placed my order for a mini. I spoke to Travis last week and it sounded as if they were finalizing things with Ninja and had made the decision to not ship any more Raptors until they had the adjustable regulators on hand. So, I suspect there will be a delay of a couple weeks while they wait for the regulators to arrive, fully test them to ensure they meet specs, and then all that do ship from here on out will ship with the adjustable regulators installed.
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I've been checking JSAR recently to find out what happened to the compressor they were going to sell. Anybody know what happened?
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Not a fan boy. But have seen on the forums over a few years how Travis has has handled customers, bent over backwards to help and shared his knowledge. I just plunked down for a mini. I'm confident enough that its going to be a winner that im dumping my Royale to help offset the cost. But im not expecting any surprises. Ive watched the tear down videos. Built strong, balanced valve, tensioned TJ barrel. I'll definitely report back when it arrives good or bad.
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Airgun Web just released another video with more to come on the Raptor. Shooting is the next video
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