JSAR .257 HP Raptor Arrived

I ordered a .257 and then upgraded to HP. I also ordered before you. :)

Here is a bore scope photos of the transfer port.

From the muzzle end, The shiny circle is end of the bolt probe, and you can see the bolt shoulder is at the rear edge of the port bore. The bolt probe is aprox. .300" long, so the port could be enlongated aprox. .040" towards the muzzle.



A shot looking 90 deg to the bore axis down into the transfer port.



Somethine else I saw with the bore scope is there is A LONG throat or freebore before getting the the leade and rifling. Probably an inch or more in front of the 60gr bullet I'm using. Way more than any .257 AG bullet needs. 
 
I wonder what they coated the Titanium plenum with? Do they anodize it?

They didn't use Ti. Travis said they had problems getting consistant ID's on Ti tubing. They switched to steel because of that.


Gotcha, I think they need to do some updating on website. Guys thinking they are getting "lightweight titanium" but are actually getting steel.
 
I did some more with the Raptor HP today. Started out with degassing it before doing some disassembly. Once degassed the tank was floppy loose. I had noticed a little movement when pressurize, but this was terrible loose. The problem was it could not be tightend up without the gages running into the barrel, so I pulled the barrel. Can tighten but then the clocking of the gages had then in conflict with the barrel. Not good! I went to the hardware store and found some materials to make a shim to adjust the clocking and have the tank tight like it should be. In doing so I also adjusted the clocking so the gages are "split " by the barrel, whick I like the look at lot better.

Shim installed

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A new shot string with the regulator set to 3100 psi shooting a 60 grain cast bullet. As delivered the rifle is really a 115-125 FPE gun.

Shot count: 22

Low: 926

Hi: 946

Avg: 933

Spread: 20

STD Dev: 5.1

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935

935

928

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946

Looking at this video starting at 2:35 shows the transfer porting from plenum tube up through the breech into barrel. Looks like the restriction goes from plenum tube all the way through the breech and into the barrel. Will not be just an open up the barrel port kind of modification.



https://youtu.be/-rKRo2NEb8U






 


Looking at this video starting at 2:35 shows the transfer porting from plenum tube up through the breech into barrel. Looks like the restriction goes from plenum tube all the way through the breech and into the barrel. Will not be just an open up the barrel port kind of modification.














I don't think I can see any less than bore sized restriction in the video. It looks just like the transfer system Travis used on the WAR guns, with a .25" passage from the valve up through the transfer port and into the breech.

Based on that it appears you should be able to focus only on the barrel port should you want to go that route.
 
The thing is 0.25 airchannels are too small for bullet calibers if you really want to push it. Big channels and atleast caliber size porting to barrel equals high numbers. My 222rem barreled Spa is ported to 0.236 all the way and still could use more volume.

Alltho I think with this choise they made they wanted to produce this caliber with decent shotcount. If it would make promised 160fpe the shotcount would go down alot. 
 
I have a question. What front rest are you using?





Just a budget bipod from UTG.

https://www.leapers.com/index.php?act=prod_detail&midx=2198&allids=2198&itemno=TL-BP02-A

It is extended forward using this mounted to the rifles pic rail up front to create drop to get under the bottle,

https://www.leapers.com/index.php?act=prod_detail&midx=2131&allids=2131&itemno=MT-RSX5S

Then this attached to the short riser and the bipod mounted forward on it.

https://www.leapers.com/index.php?act=prod_detail&midx=2131&allids=2131&itemno=MT-RSX7L

I did the same thing on my Fx Impact. 
 
Not to burst your bubble, but you cannot get an orange out of an apple, no matter how hard you squeeze.

The laws of physics are not just really good ideas, and numbers do not lie, but you can lie with numbers.

Since I failed mind reading 1-0-1, and I took it twice, let me begin with what is the diameter of the transfer port, its shape and length?

There are two parameters that need to be addressed in order to understand the limitations and the efficiencies at hand.

If your transfer port is over 0.257 x 0.7071 = 0.182" then you will be on the road to higher power, less accuracy and more velocity deviations with a smaller shot count. 

If your transfer port is below said 0.182" then you are on the road for less power, but better accuracy, smaller velocity standard deviation and higher shot count.

The reason for said dimension is because it is the half power point, or 3 dB down. What happens at the transfer port orifice is that great turbulent forces occur and cause havoc thus disturbing any consistency, which equates to precision inside the gun, and accuracy down range at the target.

What good is it to shoot a rabbit with an elephant gun? Especially if you are going to miss. Tyler had a great analogy on the carnival strong man sledge hammer bell ringing tower. Just hit the bell. You don't have to knock it out into outer space.

Get and post the size of your transfer port orifice, the shape if out of round, the edge if sharp or round, and the length because what follows is a phenomenon called the Vena-Cava, which when both optimized for efficiency and precision (not accuracy that's at the target, no gun is accurate unless you throw the rifle at the target and hit it in the bullseye).

Next, post your hammer spring dimensions such as the spring K-value, free length, compressed length, number of coils, O.D., I.D. wire diameter.

Lastly, the bottle pressure regulated at center of adjustment.

Else, face away from the wind or you will get your feet wet.

Go for accuracy first, and that comes from a precision and consistent gun and ammo. The shooters ability; well, not so much because you can always mount the rifle on a vise.

You can easily get 500 fpe out of your gun, but you would need to drop it from a high building, but by then the rabbit would have moved out of the way.

After accuracy, shoot for the least standard of deviation in the longest shot string.

Then go for power, but by increasing the mass of the projectile, and not the velocity, or you throw all your previous gains away then you start not at the beginning, but at the wrong end.

If anyone has the dimensions needed, please post and I'll explain with minimal algebraic gymnastics.

Last, but not least. Post your beginning pressure, shot count, and end pressure. Also include the bottle volume for those stepping in halfway in the blog.

I'll end with the following food for thought:

It takes approximately 8 air molecule masses to equate to one lead (Pb) molecule, so if both are allowed to share the same amount of momentum with an infinitely long barrel they would both come out with the same kinetic energy, and that is the theoretical highest energy possible of a lead pellet, or slug. 

To get more energy from the projectile, just add more air. There is a limit on the air molecule velocity that is solely based on temperature at the kelvin range, but there is no limit on the cork, or pellet, or slug that is holding the compressed air molecules. 

The more air molecules you add, keeping the temperature constant, the more pressure you will have, but the root mean square of the air molecule velocity will be the same; in other words, some air molecules will be at a complete stop, while others will be at super hyper velocities, but when you add the square velocity of each one and you square root that value, you get the mean square velocity. The average velocity is a little higher, but there are less air molecules travelling at that velocity. The peak velocity is even higher, but even less air molecules are travelling at the peak velocity.

Get me the values, and by then I'll figure out how to paste graphs on this blog so more can understand what is not said or mentioned in the myriad of blogs, air gun reviews and especially by the manufacturers and dealers.

The majority of my answers to questions on air gun reviews are moderated, examined and not posted. Could it be true that I was so happy when I was stupid?

I've learned a lot from the Blue Cookie Monster and Lloyds spreadsheets and videos along with so many other well review folks that I can't name at the present time because I'm beyond my time to go to bed.

FJB Out!