JKHan vs Kalibr

Zebra. Are we talking here about air rifles or how good some US dealers are?

If some director at Hyundai approves and signs invoices for this "brand" then this means what? They own the brand.

Want to know the real reason why Koreans generate clone brands of their best selling rifles? Because some dealers mainly in the US press them for an exclusive import contract. Then those dealers start falling back on their promised sales volumes because of their high prices and such large manufacturer is stuck with parts over production. And so they generate another clone that ends up having another exclusive distribution channel.

In Western Europe Jkhan does not sell well. Too high cost here. We can get an HW100 here for that which is 100 times a better gun. And FX for just a little more. European buyers are very educated crowd, they know what to buy. YD Trading is just an agent taking out %. People checked them out.

Jkhan sells well in the Arabia's and Eastern Europe, mainly do to cost and shortage of good air rifle brands. However Chinese are pushing them out in the price department.

Also, as was posted before Kral Puncher is the same gun with power adjuster which retails for half the price Jkhan and Evanix Rainstorm brand does. Same gun. Turks just got a better pricing policy (as reported on the Polish forum)

Koreans seem to want to keep Evanix as their premium brand that is true. Their electric line of guns is very cool, they know it and keep that under the Evanix belt for a while (imho)

In any case none of these guns really compete with European made air rifles. And for us living in EU prices on EU made guns are good same as on Evanix

jcakes2003Personally I would go with the Korsa. I love mine very accurate and the trigger pull is awesome. I was picking off bottle caps at 119 yrds pretty darn easy. The shot count I'm getting is around 40 shot after the 4th clip fps drops pretty fast. but extreme spread was amazing you would think it comes stock with a regulator but it doesn't. from shot 1-40 it was only 16 fps extreme spread. love this gun. And to top it off if you go with randy at RLairguns you get the best service.

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What caliber is yours? I'm guessing it's regulated as well?

Instead of the blind leading the blind I thought I would just ask Jkhan directly if they are the same company or same owners as Evanix and which of their guns use LW barrels. Here is their response:

Dear. Mr. Robert.

Thank you for a inquiry. 

It's a different company. 

4.5mm / 5.5mm / 6.35mm is a barrel made in Germany.
Only cal.357 / cal.45 is a chrome molybdenum barrel made in Japan.

Best Regards,
Sakamoto.
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YD TRADING CO.,LTD.
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,NAMYANGJU-SHI, GYEONGGI-DO, KOREA
Sakamoto Yoshimune
TEL:+82-10-9267-3751
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http://www.jkhanairrifle.com/main
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"Blizzard"Also, as was posted before Kral Puncher is the same gun with power adjuster which retails for half the price Jkhan and Evanix Rainstorm brand does. Same gun. Turks just got a better pricing policy (as reported on the Polish forum)

Koreans seem to want to keep Evanix as their premium brand that is true. Their electric line of guns is very cool, they know it and keep that under the Evanix belt for a while (imho)

In any case none of these guns really compete with European made air rifles. And for us living in EU prices on EU made guns are good same as on Evanix

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When you say the Krosa can't really compete with the Europeam guns, which ones are you talking about? What bullpups are there that are made in the EU, have a LW barrel and retail for $800 (or even close). You have the Daystate bullpup which is in a price category on it's own and the FX guns. Most of the other popular bullpups are from Russia, Korea and the US. There is the new Hatsan bullpup which the Korsa easily competes with. 

I grew up in Europe and travel there frequently so I am more than familiar with that market. Prices even on European air guns are no less expensive there and in many cases in the UK they are even more expensive. Products tend to compete with products in a similar price bracket. If I was to try and pick and handful of EU air guns to compete for the Jkhan's target customer base, I would struggle. 

While many EU manufacturers have stood still, brands like Jkhan have caught up or aren't far off. There is a level of complaisance or sometimes arrogance with EU manufacturers (or that's how it seems). An air gun is not better just because it's made in Europe. It seems like, regardless of where they are made, they will all end up using the same barrel, the same cf bottle, comparable regulators and all come in a walnut dress eventually. You have to ask, what makes them better in Europe besides a lingering reputation. There is no obvious features that haven't already been replicated. Only FX innovates over there at the moment. 

It is also worth noting that the 12ft lb power limit in many EU countries kinda makes Eurpeoan opinions irrelevant when choosing a gun in America. You take a powerful hunting rifle which puts out north of 55fpe and impose a 12 ft lb limit, it makes it a different gun. Most of the other debate around noise, shout count, accuracy and consistency is similarly irrelevant. Less power equals less accuracy, less noise, more shots, smaller game, shorter range...

BTW, you can't really believe that "the Koreans" got together and decided to keep Evanix as their premium brand... Can you?... You must know that decisions aren't made like that ever.... Right?

As as for pricing policies in Turkey.... These will be decided by the distributor there and as a country with a low average income, they wouldn't sell many air guns at American or UK prices. Prices are usually based on what they can get away with. It is our own fault for having higher prices here because we keep paying it. The fact that there is a less expensive brand in Turkey doesn't detract from Jkhan here. We need more high quality affordable brands a lot more than me need another $1500 bullpup. The American market dwarfs the EU so there is room for more brands easily. We love having a choice. 

The constant bashing of anything not European, by the same few people, over & over again just never stops. If the pellet hits the target, whats the difference if its shot from a $1500 gun, an $800 gun or a $400 gun. Just more European snobbery. 

"Rocko"The constant bashing of anything not European, by the same few people, over & over again just never stops. If the pellet hits the target, whats the difference if its shot from a $1500 gun, an $800 gun or a $400 gun. Just more European snobbery.

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That's so true.

It's odd because there is no need for rivalry on this as any good air gun collection should contain a mix of both old and new world. Who buys just one pcp gun...

I think the Krosa touches a nerve with some people because it uses the same formulae as the gun they just paid twice the price for. They don't want to hear that it's just as good. They want to hear that the cheaper Asian import falls to pieces with a brisk sneeze.

The thing that people need to understand is that many of the components that make air guns good or not, can and are bought in from 3rd parties that will sell to anyone. There is one vendor for carbon fiber bottles. lW barrels are cheap. High quality regulators are off the shelf. You don't need to be Daystate to buy a Minelli stock. We are going to start seeing a lot of air guns with the same componants and it won't be long before a respected reviewer says "this one is just as good as my Daystate" because they aren't innovating any more.

Talking of the new world, have you all seen the iluda. It's Jkhan's new bullpup and it looks like the UTS-15 bullpup shotgun. Not everyone's cup of beer but it's a lot more interesting than some of the clones we're seeing. I love that futuristic tacticle look with enough rail space for every accessory under the sun. 

who knows the hole size in the reservoir JKhan Nobless!

What hole in the reservoir? The hole in the fill port cover?