JKHan vs Kalibr

OldTimer. The JKHan's DO NOT have a six or seven pound trigger pull. Mine breaks at 1.4 pounds with zero creep from the factory. I am writing up a review for Airguns Air Rifles and Pistols website. I just got back from doing some testing on the Krosa. Here is the best 5 shot group at 75 yards. Done with H&N Baracuda Hunter Extremes in 25 cal. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rp70o2ocga12uwt/5%20shot%20group.jpg?dl=0
 
"roxspyder"OldTimer. The JKHan's DO NOT have a six or seven pound trigger pull. Mine breaks at 1.4 pounds with zero creep from the factory. I am writing up a review for Airguns Air Rifles and Pistols website. I just got back from doing some testing on the Krosa. Here is the best 5 shot group at 75 yards. Done with H&N Baracuda Hunter Extremes in 25 cal. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rp70o2ocga12uwt/5%20shot%20group.jpg?dl=0



Right ?......where do this people get their info ?

than they print it on forums like if it gospel,..missinformation at his best.

Never had a Jkhan but I've only read good stuff so far bout them 

 
"Nomadic Pirate"
"roxspyder"OldTimer. The JKHan's DO NOT have a six or seven pound trigger pull. Mine breaks at 1.4 pounds with zero creep from the factory. I am writing up a review for Airguns Air Rifles and Pistols website. I just got back from doing some testing on the Krosa. Here is the best 5 shot group at 75 yards. Done with H&N Baracuda Hunter Extremes in 25 cal. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rp70o2ocga12uwt/5%20shot%20group.jpg?dl=0



Right ?......where do this people get their info ?

than they print it on forums like if it gospel,..missinformation at his best.

Never had a Jkhan but I've only read good stuff so far bout them 



I know right? This stuff is nuts!
One more time, for everyone who interested... The JKHan are awesome, well crafted, and well engineered rifles....PERIOD.
I have had a LOT of junk...this is not one of them...accuracy, power, and handling are ALL present. For more granular detail about these rifles...PLEASE ask those who actually own them, instead of errant speculation.

DJ

 
I have both guns. The only thing I can say about the JKhan is it has a loud ping and bark. My Cricket .25 bullpup has had several leaks and the gauge has never worked. I still like them both as they are very accurate with great triggers. The Cricket is not worth 3X the money though IMO. The wood stock winner goes to the JKhan too.
 
Mine does have a pretty good ping, but nothing unbearable. For not having baffles, it does have a good air stripper, but no baffles, it is still pretty quiet. WAY quieter than my Condor .25 without the shroud. Easy homemade baffles would be very easy to make. Accuracy wise, it beats my Edgun Matador R2.5 at 75 yards, at a fraction of the cost. For somebody who wants a great first gun, without spending thousands, its a well made, accurate sweet shooting little gun. Its more accurate than my Hatsan Carnivore in 30 cal, 
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Guns I have;
Edgun Matador R2.5 22 cal
AirForce Condor .257 RL Extreme valve
Airforce Condor .25 cal RL Extreme valve
Airforce Condor SS 22 cal
Airforce Texan .457 cal
JKHan Krosa .25 cal Huma regulator
Vulcan .25 cal
Xisico XS60C PCP .22 cal
Evanix Rainstorm 3D Bullpup .357 cal
Benjamin M-Rod with MDRL Bullpup stock 22 cal
Preordered Hatsan Gladius 25 cal
 
"Nomadic Pirate"
"roxspyder"OldTimer. The JKHan's DO NOT have a six or seven pound trigger pull. Mine breaks at 1.4 pounds with zero creep from the factory. I am writing up a review for Airguns Air Rifles and Pistols website. I just got back from doing some testing on the Krosa. Here is the best 5 shot group at 75 yards. Done with H&N Baracuda Hunter Extremes in 25 cal. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rp70o2ocga12uwt/5%20shot%20group.jpg?dl=0



Right ?......where do this people get their info ?

than they print it on forums like if it gospel,..missinformation at his best.

Never had a Jkhan but I've only read good stuff so far bout them 

I agree and I can't find any evidence of Jkhan and Evanix being connected either. It wouldn't be an issue for me of they were because Evanix make awesome air guns. I believe that they both use the same contract manufacturer but this is a fairly common practice these days. Contract manufacturers make products to the specific clients specifications so there is no reason why the quality of one brand should reflect on another.

If you take an air gun, give it a completely different stock, breach, hammer, barrel, air cylinder, magazine and brand name, could you say it is the same rifle? There is not much left. How many parts are actually interchangeable with an Evanix Rainstorm? None of the ones that matter.

The Koreans make great hunting air rifles at prices that look like bargains compared to Europe and Russia. They've been making high power and large caliber air guns for a lot longer than most others too.

It seems like some people might run into problems when they try to use them like the European guns. The wrong pellet choice seems common. JKhan (not surprisingly ) suggest the use of Jkahn pellets which are rebadged Eun Jin 35g (for the .25). They are made to shoot heavier pellets so this problem of them "shooting too hot" is from using pellets that are too light. My Career 707 is the same. I only use it with 43g Eun Jin pellets or 51g hollow points. If I used the JSBs I use for my Cricket I'd hit the moon. I would always try a few different pellets before modifying an air rifle.... The Jkhan mags function better with heavier pellets too.

If you are into target shooting or you are one of those people who take more pleasure putting 40 pellets in the same hole than you do from knocking squirrels out of trees, Korean guns aren't for you. For hunting, they are as good as anyone else. There is certainly a defensible logic to front-loading most of the power into the first 10-15 shots because these are the most useful when hunting and shot 30 is rarely fired.

Still the fact that you can add a regulator for $75 just makes the Jkhan bullpup and even more attractive and versatile option. 

I must admit that I chose a 25 cal Cricket over the Jkhan bullpup but I'm not convinced the extra cash got me anything extra. The Cricket has a more efficient valve and a cylinder that can be filled to 300 bar so it needs filling less often but, it doesn't have a safety and Kalibrgun guns are not exactly known to be problem free... Mine stopped indexing after less than 3 months... My career 707 is 20 years old and still works flawlessly. 

My Cricket stopped indexing due to a common problem of the indexing pins bending upwards after what Kalibrgun describe as prolonged use which was 2 and half months for me. It's hard to argue they are made of better metal when key parts bend from normal use....

We all want to believe (myself included) that our $1500 guns are twice as good as the $800 ones but that is rarely true (if ever). Frankly, if the Jkhan had a Daystate badge, many people here would happily pay $1500 for it without blinking. The walnut of the Jkahn I held was far nicer than the wood on the Cricket or Vulcan. 

We we need a few people who own both to do some side by side groups to shatter some of these myths. It's about time that some of these manufacturers either start improving their designs or lower their prices to Jkahn levels. Everyone has a nice walnut stock and a LW barrel these days....







 
Zebra, thanks for the insights. I am contemplating of getting the Jkhan, however I am a little concern of it not being backyard friendly. I am not sure if you got s chance to shoot the Jkhan to give me a feedback on the loudness report. Obviously the cricket is well known for being quiet but if the Jkhan is anywhere close it would help me in making the decision. I myself am looking for an all around backyard friendly Bullpup , with mainly hunting pests around the house and occasional target. 
 
"tinsoldier"Zebra, thanks for the insights. I am contemplating of getting the Jkhan, however I am a little concern of it not being backyard friendly. I am not sure if you got s chance to shoot the Jkhan to give me a feedback on the loudness report. Obviously the cricket is well known for being quiet but if the Jkhan is anywhere close it would help me in making the decision. I myself am looking for an all around backyard friendly Bullpup , with mainly hunting pests around the house and occasional target.
With that $40 LDC they offer with the Jkhan there is not much difference in noise. It's a little louder than the Cricket without it. It has a shorter barrel and a little more power so that is to be expected.

"Backyard friendly" is a matter of opinion and how nice your neighbors are but neither the Jkahn or the Cricket are super quiet in .25. Maybe quiet for the amount of power but they make some noise. My Cricket was fairly quiet when I first got it but it seemed to get louder after a few months of use. I do use mine in the backyard but not for extended plinking sessions. Just a few shots here and there when I see a squirrel or raccoon. So far no complaints. If you get the regulator option with the Jkhan plus the LDC, you should be ok. You can buy a weaker hammer spring to take the power down a notch too.

If you have neighbors that might call the police on you, maybe think about a .22. Then again if it's too loud, just buy a good LDC. If it's still too loud, you can just sell it. If you want the absolute quietest air gun, it not either of these two.
 
The JKHAN moderator is basically a large air stripper inside a tube. It lowers the volume a little, but not by much. I removed the air stripper attachment that is fixed inside the front cap, and added 3 curlers (2 X larger, and 1 X smaller) wrapped in 1/8" thick felt. Inter spaced with nylon washers that were turned down on the outside to fit the inside barrel of the moderator. I placed the larger curlers at each end, and the smaller one in the middle with a washer at each side of the smaller section.

sound levels are dramatically lower, like night and day. With baffles made from curlers, felt, washers also added to the last 3 inches of the standard Noblesse shroud, and the added moderator, this gun is VERY quiet.
 
Where does it say Evanix on that image?

On their website, the key contact appears to be from YD Trading company. Hyundai is listed as the manufacturing operation. 

Hyundai offers contract manufacturing services to lots of companies. I can't see an issue with this. I bet they have much better equipment than what you find in the majority of other air rifle manufacturers. The stuff I have seen from them is excellent. It's a smart way for a new brand to start out.

The few recent examples we have seen where people try and invest in all the equipment themselves upfront has resulted in horribly expensive air rifles with long delays and major teething problems. American Air Arms, for example. Very expensive and long delays on their small bore guns. There is something to be said for sticking to what you do best. 

Something being discussed on a European forum (or any forum) doesn't make it a fact. That is a key method for inaccurate info to spread. One person speculates based on an assumption. The next person regurgitates what he said and presents it as fact and a new legend is born. 

I wouldn't have an issue if it was the same owner as Evanix though. Not sure why this would be presented as a downside. They make excellent air guns. It would just be a curious decision on their part to use a new brand name randomly. The Evanix name is already established. They have a following and attract a premium price. They are distributed through Pyramyd Air - one of the largest sellers of air guns in America. I can't think of many reasons why they would discard their brand capital to start again as an unknown brand at a lower price point. If you are BMW, you tell people. You don't pretend to be a nobody and expect to sell cars... At the least, you would have thought they might have tried to use their existing trade channels or branded themselves "Jkhan by Evanix" given how little people seem to trust a new brand.

PA don't sell Jkhan guns though. If it weren't for WildWest taking a chance with them, we never would have heard of them in America. PA would have actually been a better place to distribute the JKhan guns here. They have more experience with Korean guns so they wouldn't have been advising people to mod them to shoot JSB pellets that can cause jams in the mag. They also focus more on the entry and mid-level air gun brands. They don't carry Kalibrgun, Daystate, FX, Vulcans etc. Jkhan is out of place in Wild West's catalogue. PA have an excellent returns policy that makes people feel more comfortable taking a chance on an air gun they aren't familiar with. It's the ideal store for Jkhan.

I guess it's possible that PA turned down their Evanix rep when he offered them a new bullpup at half the price of the Max Ml and with a LW barrel at the height of the bullpup boom and told them to break their agreement and try Wild West (one of the largest competitors) instead. It wouldn't be the first stupid business decision ever. 

Also, if it was true that it was a Rainstorm in a new stock with a LW barrel, it's not like they are trying to pull a fast one by selling a cheaper gun in disguise for more than the original like Hatsan is doing with their bullpup. You can't buy any Evanix bullpup in .25 or 9mm for $800 even without a LW barrel. I can't think of many Evanix rifles that cost $800 or even close period. I don't think it's the case but if it was, it would be the air gun deal of the year. 
 
Personally I would go with the Korsa. I love mine very accurate and the trigger pull is awesome. I was picking off bottle caps at 119 yrds pretty darn easy. The shot count I'm getting is around 40 shot after the 4th clip fps drops pretty fast. but extreme spread was amazing you would think it comes stock with a regulator but it doesn't. from shot 1-40 it was only 16 fps extreme spread. love this gun. And to top it off if you go with randy at RLairguns you get the best service.