"It's the Indian, not the arrow," or is it?

(Not intending to ruffle any feathers with this, would just like to see a healthy discussion and see how others feel). 

I've been analyzing and mulling this over since I got into competitive airgun shooting. 

Yes I only shoot in "local" matches, but I'm fortunate to live within a few hours drive of 3 different field target clubs that put on matches throughout the year, and I've have been shooting at the Extreme Field Target events that have been occurring monthly since last fall.

My journey in the equipment race.....

I think it was 2015 or 2016 that I went to my first match, a traditional sub 20fpe ft match Arzrover was putting on at his house. I showed up with an HW77k and a Vortex Crossfire. I didn't do well, in the low teens out of 40 if I remember right. I think I was the only springer shooter. Even before I left the match I was thinking I needed to upgrade, gun and scope. Within 6 months I had a Brocock PCP and did pretty good with it in Hunter class for a while.. I still wanted "better" equipment. So I ordered a USFT from TimmyMac out in Cali. Sometime through all that I ended up with a couple SWFA 20x scopes. And that's what went on the USFT, shooting in Open class. For the first 5 or 6 months I didn't win a match, was near the top a couple times, but didn't have any great showings. Around then a friend built a 3d-printed sidewheel contraption for ranging by focus and I started to win a few matches. I'd been looking at and researching field target scopes since the beginning and finally bought a Falcon X50. Almost instantly I started winning matches. 

Last fall I went to the first of the monthly Extreme FT matches. I had a Veteran Long in .22 shooting the 18.1s, and I finished second to last. Knew I needed a better BC pellet and that barrel didn't like them, so had a barrel machined. The next month I did much better and have since been near the top a couple times and even had the high score one match (Bobby and Sandy weren't there that month so that gave me a chance to win). I'd still like to put a little better glass on my long range/high power rig, but not in a huge hurry to do so. 

And that's kinda the abbreviated version of the progression that I've had towards more expensive "better" equipment. Where I've placed in the standings in each of these types of field target competitions has had a linear relationship with the quality of the equipment that I'm using. I do try to do most of my non-competitive shooting from the same positions I use to compete in, so I suppose that's "practice." But I was doing that all along, with the budget-friendly and the pricey gear. 

In fact, I had an interesting experience this past weekend with the USFT/Falcon scope rig. Prior to last Friday I had not touched that gun since the September AZ State FT match, something like 8 months. So absolutely ZERO practice. I shot my Vet .20 during the actual match because it's short LOP fits my 7 year old son better, so we shared that gun just to not need to manage two rigs through the whole course. BUT, I shot through again right afterwards, using the USFT, and shot a 47/52, on a very difficult course. That tied the high score that had been shot during the match. And those 5 misses were the Indian, not the arrow (pulled shots, misreads on the wind). 

Drumsnguns just shared a nearly perfect N50 (Mike Nisch of Thomas Airgun's new high power 50 yard benchrest competition) with a gun that he has not shot such much since 2016. I messaged him and got some details and permission to mention him in this post. From what he told me, most of his shooting in the past few years sounds like it was from his Impact. He mentioned the Cricket trigger being much more appropriate for benchrest than the Impact. Anyway, minimal time with the Cricket, and he pulls it out of storage and shoots a nearly perfect 250. 

So, the USFT this past weekend and Drumsnguns Cricket shot better than average (read GOOD) scores, with minimal practice time. 

Are we simply dealing with a "right tool for the job" situation here? We congratulate each other when we shoot a good score, but is it really our performance, or the gun's performance that deserves the accolades? The flip side of the concept of the gun just being exceptional is that it can't sit there and shoot itself, so some credit needs to go to the shooter. There's also the idea of how hard is really to line up the crosshairs and squeeze the trigger, at least in the case of a PCP. If the gun is tuned right and capable of accuracy, it's kinda just a given that the pellet should go where it should. What about skill in reading the wind? There's also the underlying theme of "buying your way to the top." Although we all have friends who have really good equipment but still isn't the top shooter. Are the results commensurate to the confidence level one has in his/her equipment? 

All that circles us back to the title: shooter? or equipment? I don't have the answer, but I'd like to hear other's opinions on the matter.


 
well, the indian behind the gun is setting it up and tuning it .. but competition in anything is a deep and expensive rabbit hole where usually you need to keep spending money to stay on top .. and theres always somebody that can pull off an incomprehensible win with something average, usually its just luck and maybe sometimes theyres something going on there that said idiot doesnt even realize himself .. something odd that just fell in place .. something to learn .. once its picked up on the higher end stuff is lapping him ..
 
For 15 years I shot a lot of matches of different types. I always wanted to know my gun was right . I would do what it took to make it right. I had to know that if I did not do as well as I planned it was me and not the gun. 

I found once I reached a certain level in my gun I could spend more but it was me holding me back. I spent a lot of time trying to improve the way I did things in my quest.

Some times I would learn silly things that would help my score. Like counting heartbeats and breathing a certain way. 

Buy the best you can so you will have confidence when you go to the line.

You asked for discussion and this is mine.

I hope to try field target this year, If I can buy more equipiment. probably get my but handed to me. I have not shot a match in years.

God Bless

Bobby
 
I think the trouble you’re going to have with this is trying to decide if it’s one or the other.

At local (small) matches it COULD be one or the other.

At higher level matches it WILL always be both.

Mike

What if we've got various combinations of national and state champs shooting with us each month?

Monthly/local matches but pretty talented shooters. 

I agree that nearly impossible to definitively figure out if it's the gun or the shooter, just interesting to ponder. 
 
The worst Indian needs the best arrows I always say. Or that’s how I justify this stuff to the chief

I love this one! I've got a chief that I answer too also. lol.

............Buy the best you can so you will have confidence when you go to the line..............


This aspect is huge, and maybe plays a bigger role than most realize? The winners of the local competitions that I go to always talk about their winning rifle with reverence. Does simply having confidence in a gun make us shoot better with it? I think so. But I think it's got to be founded confidence. Playing Thomas the Train, "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can!" over and over in our heads to try to convince us the gun is good isn't going to get there. Personally confidence in a gun/scope rig comes from experiencing the accuracy/precision it is capable of.

.......I “CAN’T” outshoot the equipment I’ve assembled!......



.....An awesome shooter can’t do that with a mediocre rifle.....


nomojo65 and Flintsack, agree 100% with you here. This shared point that you both made is leaning hard to the arrow being the bigger factor. An awesome shooter can shoot really well with an awesome gun, but can't make a mediocre rifle do any better than its inherent mediocre capability. 
 
Ask yourself this. How much harder is it to shoot a 58 out of 60, versus a 56 out of 60? Or a 59 out of 60, which would win just about any match. When you shoot a 56, you have four times the number of missed targets compared to if you shoot a 59. 56 is not even close to a 59. Not even the same stratosphere.

to shoot a 59, you have to hit all the targets in the last two lanes. And you’re going into them knowing you only have one miss...People crumble.

One more thing. You can shoot a 59 with a nice , Used $2500 Steyr or Rapid...however, I think it will be easier to do it with one of Mike’s rifles or the new 12 foot pound FT Redwolf.

mike
 
Ask yourself this. How much harder is it to shoot a 58 out of 60, versus a 56 out of 60? Or a 59 out of 60, which would win just about any match. When you shoot a 56, you have four times the number of missed targets compared to if you shoot a 59. 56 is not even close to a 59. Not even the same stratosphere.

to shoot a 59, you have to hit all the targets in the last two lanes. And you’re going into them knowing you only have one miss...People crumble.

mike

Oh for sure. In the matches where I've had perfect scores, or only even missed 1 or 2, there's some serious pretty pressure to keep squeezing off careful shots. I've had a couple where the pressure got to me and I missed the very last shot of an otherwise perfect score. So that's the Indian, lol. 

In a competition like field target where the margins of winning are almost always down to hitting one more shot than the #2 guy, a gun that doesn't throw flyers or a random low/high fps shot are CRITICAL though. So it's the arrow. lol 
 
The FT comparison made by Mike is a good one. It’s similar in BR. I’m sure I’ve shot 50 times more 249s than 250s. But even when you shoot a 250....that’s still not a perfect card. A 250 25x is a perfect card. A 250 25x is light years away from a 250 15x. If you can ever shoot a 250 25x....you will have shot hundreds of 250 15s by then...at least.

The triple crown of Rimfire is coming up in a week or so. The top 10 guys will all shoot 750s on the IR5050 portion and will only be separated by x counts. That’s exciting when there is competition like that. You absolutely must have your A game and your A gun. Is it a cheap hobby that everyone can afford? No, it’s not.


Mike 



 
Shooter first.

Idea is that...

If I manufacture 100 air rifles to exact tolerances (we've had this conversation before) and hand them over to 100 very qualified shooters, not everyone will score 250X25 in Benchrest or any other comparable discipline. 

The shooter and the rifle, the Zen connection if you will, puts them in the top %.

Never underestimate the ordinary put into the hands of an extraordinary mind.

Patrick
 
Read this a few more times:

250 25x is a perfect card. A 250 25x is light years away from a 250 15x. If you can ever shoot a 250 25x….you will have shot hundreds of 250 15s by then…at least.

That statement above is simple math. The curve gets so sharp at the edges almost no one ever gets there.

A couple competitors are going to be right at their peak on that day. And on that day the machine is top notch and making magic. Ammo is perfect. Trigger perfect. Scope crystal. 

mike
 
I think the critical factor is finding a rifle that you are most comfortable shooting. Out of the dozen or so airguns that I own, there's only a couple that I "connect" with (where they become like a natural extension of sorts). If you can figure out which rifle that is and dial it in with high BC ammo, then you are more likely to get in the zone.
 
Do not underestimate a mental game.

I've been competing in archery for over 15 years, training and practising a thousand arrows per week, every week. Days before my tournaments I could see in my dreams my arrows hitting a center. I was working really hard climbing up on the letter, until I hit the plateau. Since then one to two points up and down but still about five-six points below the very leaders in the sport (third-forth spot for me Nationals).

Ones I asked the Canadian champ how much he is practising? Nothing, an hour maybe a single hour per week just to get the wheels lubed. I could not believe him.

Then he told me I will never reach the tip of the hill if I don't start training the mental part of the competition.

And a best book what I was reading through again and again was about airgun competitions, the title was I think "With winning in mind" even amazon started selling it https://www.amazon.ca/Winning-Mind-3rd-Ed/dp/1934324264

And I started training the mental game...worth it very well, I made couple provincial records and second place in CA in my agegroup (I was in my mid 50's that time).

And two years later a first cancer surgery then one more and a next the lung surgery they cut trough my back muscles and I had to stop shooting bows. Here me now with airguns, and all the fcken clubs closed down at my place for over a year now.

Anyway, winning in mind is a key !!! Just watch the Olympics and World class sportists, ultramaratons and things like that...