It appears that Youtube removed all ads from any gun related channel

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Not really Thurmond, We are not talking about videos like our poor old one eyed stock burning pirate does, or AEAC,
There are of course animal rights activist that will flag every hunting show or gun related show they see no matter the reason.

The issue is that Videos and Pictures are completely different than written text in terms of the amount of data that any filter would need to analyze.
So what is the purpose of monetizing a video? To make money right, Now to make that money the video needs to be viewed, what videos gets the most views? Ones that are controversial, Shocking, and or shows deadly consequences. So that's what the these adds are getting linked to and by extension the companies themselves tying them to say=== Farmer Blows up 50 pigs at once using Tannerite.
Now lets say ABC company gets a call from some activist groups and informs them that they will be boycotting them because their add was linked to that video.
And lets say ABC Company gives google an ad budget of $1000 per week (this is not a far fetched number) and they call google along with two or three thousand other advertisers and tells them that if they don't do something about curtailing this kind of issue right now they will stop using them guess what's going to happen.
Its not the people like that vet, or AEAC, or any other legitimate poster its the ones that has taken advantage of our populations fascination with these kinds of videos of death and mayhem to make money from the monetization.
The problem is the fact that the vet, AEAC or any of the other legitimate posters are buried with all that other trash and as a result gets thrown out with that trash. Its unfortunate but true
I expect Google to take advantage of this soon by offering a SPECIAL FEE for some type of unique trusted classification that posters can apply for that will allow them to monetize there content with certain provisions in the same way as they did with Ebay and Air Guns
 
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As a small business owner (non-airgun related), I would want everyone everywhere to see my product. If my product is depicted in some videos being used in a way I don't like well, that sucks but it's still being viewed. That's the whole point of advertising! You want people to see your product. And theres plenty more videos of the product being used favorably. 
I have business cards for my business. If I see them tacked to a board in a weed shop here in Colorado, I'd be concerned. That's not something I'd want to be associated with. BUT, It's advertising! It's potential sales for me. I'd leave them right where they were and probably add more because it's not about where they are, it's about my business and my growth. 
If the advertisers are behind this, then they're shooting themselves in their own foot! Youtube uses targeted advertising. What could be better than showing your ads to the very people that WOULD be the most interested in buying your product?
I can attest that it's worked. There's things I never knew existed. I found them while roaming around on youtube. I mean, who knew cat litter boxes could be so advanced?! 
Advertising works! 
 
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Im wondering if it has to do with the "TAGS" that you put with your video or to help define your channel content; a youtube algorithm could easily search for the words: gun, hunting, shooting, or youtube sucks and easily restrict the associated content...

look at deermeatfordinners channel most of his videos are still there but there all fishing related videos.. all the hunting ones are gone..

potentially you could trick the system by not tagging your videos or creatively tagging your videos.
 
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"Tominco"As a small business owner (non-airgun related), I would want everyone everywhere to see my product. If my product is depicted in some videos being used in a way I don't like well, that sucks but it's still being viewed. That's the whole point of advertising! You want people to see your product. And theres plenty more videos of the product being used favorably. 
I have business cards for my business. If I see them tacked to a board in a weed shop here in Colorado, I'd be concerned. That's not something I'd want to be associated with. BUT, It's advertising! It's potential sales for me. I'd leave them right where they were and probably add more because it's not about where they are, it's about my business and my growth. 
If the advertisers are behind this, then they're shooting themselves in their own foot! Youtube uses targeted advertising. What could be better than showing your ads to the very people that WOULD be the most interested in buying your product?
I can attest that it's worked. There's things I never knew existed. I found them while roaming around on youtube. I mean, who knew cat litter boxes could be so advanced?! 
Advertising works! 

As much as I hate to say this, Its not the small business owner that most likely would get the call from that said activist group not enough leverage nor publicity to make it worthwhile, 
Besides, most of the activist are in that pot shop getting a doobie supply :)

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"X27"Im wondering if it has to do with the "TAGS" that you put with your video or to help define your channel content; a youtube algorithm could easily search for the words: gun, hunting, shooting, or youtube sucks and easily restrict the associated content...

look at deermeatfordinners channel most of his videos are still there but there all fishing related videos.. all the hunting ones are gone..

potentially you could trick the system by not tagging your videos or creatively tagging your videos.
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The tags are what YouTube/Google and advertisers should be using to decide what videos to associate their adverts with... No this is much more insidious than something so simple as advertisers being worried about what products their stuff is being advertised beside. Google has everything it needs to know to figure out what the advertiser wants and what the customer is interested in seeing.

The argument that videos are just to hard to analyze is specious as well. Google is making serious bank selling this directed advertising. Jumping into the middle of things with what amounts to bans on advertising for certain groups and not for other OBVIOUSLY questionable content looks more like social manipulation and PC policing than any real concern about satisfying the customer. Google wants to get rid of certain types of content because management at Google has a twisted idea of their own social imperative.

That's the bottom line. Google is trying to decide for you, what you should watch and how you should think.
 
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Oldspook, Do you know one of the ways that terrorist has circumvented Keyword Flagging? Through the use of images as text, and even hiding text inside of images. 
Have you not ever had to fill in a box with an image of some name or letters above it to prove you are not a "bot" 

I have written an algorithm in python/ opencv that takes a clip just one clip from a video and compares an animals silhouette with a set of known silhouettes then decides what kind of animal it is that has entered the trap. The code was almost 1000 lines long, and that was for three animals and it was glitchy as hell with no error check. I can write a python code that can scan this website for any key word I wanted with less than 100 lines and it would be rock solid with full error checking. 
Now imagine doing so with a 20 min video at 20 frames per second. 

Consider this relatively small in comparison forum and the difficulty that Micheal, and the other Mods and attentive members has had in stopping the trolls that keeps changing and hiding behind fake IPs..... What did that guy say delete my account I don't care I will be back tomorrow with a different ip and user name.
Wallstreet news has reported that google/ Youtube could be looking at a loss of over 750 million dollars due to this boycott, Thats no chump change no matter how you look at it. 
Whats more if I am going to pay a firm even $500 per month for advertising I have the right to say where I do not want my ad to be! 
The whole issue evolves around the fact that google and all these other search engines has turned search engines into nothing more than highest bidder advertising. The same holds true in the monetization of those videos, So when you have a company like McDonalds or Walmart who spends hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising alone per year telling an advertising firm do something now to turn this off or we will drop you. You don't spend months writing code for narrow filters you take broad strokes and start flipping switches. 

 
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Wow, I read that this was going to happen a few days ago. I had no idea of the depth it would go. This is not just a USA thing its world wide. 
1. I want to know all the names (businesses) that are involved so I can boycott them just like I have UA for their support of anti hunters.
2. Sorry to those who this has hit personally and possibly financially.
3. As mentioned "AirTube" is taken but how about "GunnerTube" or "Pass'nGasTube" somebody needs to seriously challenge youtube.
4. Youtube allows, terroristic vids, supports LGBT bs, allows foul mouth little hoodlums to say anything, lets underage girls do nude vids, the list goes on....
Just talking and ranting does nothing, take action ! Boycott time in numbers will hurt those involved. UA didn't listen to the pro hunting community, now look at whats happening to them.
 
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"Willie14228"Oldspook, Do you know one of the ways that terrorist has circumvented Keyword Flagging? Through the use of images as text, and even hiding text inside of images. 
Have you not ever had to fill in a box with an image of some name or letters above it to prove you are not a "bot" 

I have written an algorithm in python/ opencv that takes a clip just one clip from a video and compares an animals silhouette with a set of known silhouettes then decides what kind of animal it is that has entered the trap. The code was almost 1000 lines long, and that was for three animals and it was glitchy as hell with no error check. I can write a python code that can scan this website for any key word I wanted with less than 100 lines and it would be rock solid with full error checking. 
Now imagine doing so with a 20 min video at 20 frames per second. 

Consider this relatively small in comparison forum and the difficulty that Micheal, and the other Mods and attentive members has had in stopping the trolls that keeps changing and hiding behind fake IPs..... What did that guy say delete my account I don't care I will be back tomorrow with a different ip and user name.
Wallstreet news has reported that google/ Youtube could be looking at a loss of over 750 million dollars due to this boycott, Thats no chump change no matter how you look at it. 
Whats more if I am going to pay a firm even $500 per month for advertising I have the right to say where I do not want my ad to be! 
The whole issue evolves around the fact that google and all these other search engines has turned search engines into nothing more than highest bidder advertising. The same holds true in the monetization of those videos, So when you have a company like McDonalds or Walmart who spends hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising alone per year telling an advertising firm do something now to turn this off or we will drop you. You don't spend months writing code for narrow filters you take broad strokes and start flipping switches. 






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I have a Bachelors degree in Computer Science from Texas A&M. I know what is involved in developing an application and in another life, I did two tours at NSA. I do understand that people are crafty. The people at Google are crafty as well.

Me? I think I am just going to keep watching youtube and stop using Google. Maybe it is about time for Google to get a taste of the reality that there are alternate choices and Bing is one of them. ... matter of fact, I just deleted Google from my search engine list and made Bing my default search engine ... 

I stand by what I said. This is not about Google not having the resources or the information they need to make the decisions. They definitely have both those things already. Google already knows exactly what you are interested in and already has a long history of every search you have ever made, even the things you searched on when you opened an "incognito" instance of your browser. They already know what videos have what sort of content and could easily terminate anyone who violated a rule precluding falsifying search terms applied by the content producers. They already can and do allow advertisers to select the sorts of videos they don't want to be associated with. This is about Google deciding for you what you should and should not be allowed to see. This is the PC police run amok.
 
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Oh, Don't misunderstand me I hate Google and yah I agree they have the resources I mean they are a multibillion dollar company (250 billion!!!), I am truly sorry if I came off as sounding like I was questioning your intelligence wasn't meant that way at all. NSA huh, guess oldspook wasn't a joke, 
We are basically running in the same direction just along different paths I am 100% with you in that google has gotten way to big for their britches. I firmly believe this is a gambit move that will allow them to charge posters for a "Trusted" status. I am sure there will soon be some freedom of speech backlash somewhere in all this.
But that being said, both advertisers and government officials are the ones telling google to take action now or else, Google doesn't care where those ads go as long as they get the clicks and therefor get paid. 
If they did care they would have done something a long time ago they have some of the smartest programmers in the world working for them sure they have the resources.
But this isn't just about the programming this is also about public image and when words like 750 Million and Wall Street are in the same sentence that 250 Billion company stock went from $841 dollars per down to 820 in less than four days That has got to hurt!!
This is all out damage control I don't think they ever expected or believed these companies would do this and they are panicking
Maybe I'm wrong happens all the time according to my wife
Again Sorry Old Spook my reply wasn't meant as a challenge of your intelligence
 
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"Willie14228"I firmly believe this is a gambit move that will allow them to charge posters for a "Trusted" status. I am sure there will soon be some freedom of speech backlash somewhere in all this.
But that being said, both advertisers and government officials are the ones telling google to take action now or else, Google doesn't care where those ads go as long as they get the clicks and therefor get paid. 
If they did care they would have done something a long time ago they have some of the smartest programmers in the world working for them sure they have the resources.
But this isn't just about the programming this is also about public image and when words like 750 Million and Wall Street are in the same sentence that 250 Billion company stock went from $841 dollars per down to 820 in less than four days That has got to hurt!!
This is all out damage control I don't think they ever expected or believed these companies would do this and they are panicking
Maybe I'm wrong happens all the time according to my wife
Again Sorry Old Spook my reply wasn't meant as a challenge of your intelligence
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No offense, you know intelligence isn't something one can be proud about. You can't earn it. It is like having blue eyes. It doesn't make you a better person or a special person.

I think you've got a point here. I am just saying that they can already solve the problem, actually I'm saying they already DID solve it. They allow advertisers to select what sorts of videos they want their adverts to appear with ... Just like you can search on a key word, the advertisers can select keywords they don't want their advertisement to be associated with... The advertisers can ALREADY say, "I don't want this ad to appear with any videos whose description contains the word guns." They actually already DO that.

Going from 841 to 820 isn't that big a loss. Yes it is billions of dollars but it only represents about a 2.6 percent drop in gross value.
 
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^^^^ If anyone is scratching their head on what old spook has said check out google analytics, Even if you didn't use google to go to my site, I can see what search term you used to find my site, where you came from--- bing whatever and can sit here and see in real time every page you are viewing, if you use your phone I can even tell what device you are using to view my site with, I can see what city and state your doing so and even see what your interests are that google collects through your browsing history, even know if your male or female and your age group.
Its funny........no actually its not funny at all!! We threaten or government leaders when they take steps (right or wrong) to try and stop terrorist attacks on or nation by the methods in collection of Intel they have used
An say nothing about the data that companies like this who collects this amount of data about our life and continually spies on us with no real official oversight.
Keep in mind Google isn't just a search engine,
Android is google this means every android device shares your information with google.
YouTube is google
PayPal is Google
As a matter of fact they have 200 different technology and online companies all over the world 
 
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