When I first saw your user name, I thought it said COVID_hunter. It's all the media's fault.
In all seriousness and back to the topic at hand, I keep my Leshiy at 12 ft.lbs for rats around the house.
Upvote 0
Is tuning for power always the answer?
- Thread starter rangur1
- Start date
When I first saw your user name, I thought it said COVID_hunter. It's all the media's fault.
In all seriousness and back to the topic at hand, I keep my Leshiy at 12 ft.lbs for rats around the house.
I really enjoy my cricket compact 177 .. so much that I sell the .22 ... thr rest of my guns I need to take a drive to be able to used..
Upvote 0
I usually try to get the maximum velocity that is still accurate. Helps with trajectory and energy. Balance, as with most things in life, seems to apply to pellet velocity as well.
Upvote 0
In MY Personal Case - I've learned never to tune for max power..
I've always shot .22 exclusively, then temporarily ventured into .25 territory,
and with that added umph, I ended up blowing holes through my indoor range backstop,
and then through two walls in my house. Big Oops!
I love shooting more than re-filling also, so usually, the first thing I do when I get a new gun
is try to tune it for 'air-efficiency' vs. max velocity. [Also, I don't hunt - I only shoot targets]
Sam -
I've always shot .22 exclusively, then temporarily ventured into .25 territory,
and with that added umph, I ended up blowing holes through my indoor range backstop,
and then through two walls in my house. Big Oops!
I love shooting more than re-filling also, so usually, the first thing I do when I get a new gun
is try to tune it for 'air-efficiency' vs. max velocity. [Also, I don't hunt - I only shoot targets]
Sam -
Upvote 0
For me, tuning is 100% about accuracy. Whatever rifle I'm shooting, it will have adequate power for its intended use, so accuracy is the variable to be solved.
Upvote 0
In MY Personal Case - I've learned never to tune for max power..
I've always shot .22 exclusively, then temporarily ventured into .25 territory,
and with that added umph, I ended up blowing holes through my indoor range backstop,
and then through two walls in my house. Big Oops!
I love shooting more than re-filling also, so usually, the first thing I do when I get a new gun
is try to tune it for 'air-efficiency' vs. max velocity. [Also, I don't hunt - I only shoot targets]
Sam -
I've always shot .22 exclusively, then temporarily ventured into .25 territory,
and with that added umph, I ended up blowing holes through my indoor range backstop,
and then through two walls in my house. Big Oops!
I love shooting more than re-filling also, so usually, the first thing I do when I get a new gun
is try to tune it for 'air-efficiency' vs. max velocity. [Also, I don't hunt - I only shoot targets]
Sam -
Upvote 0
I have the same guns : two NP-03s and a Knight .
The first np-03 I went crazy on . Maxed it out mechanically then detuned it to be more accurate . Love It !!!
The second np-03 I went a different road . Left the 16" barrrel , carbon fiber shroud w/o the cap , stone polished the trigger assembly , replaced the hammer spring . Very nice .
The Knight is next on the list , maybe ? I've been wanting to build a 22 cal NP-580 ...I have decided fully which project is next ...
Here is a picture of the crazy build ; I call the NP-03 SS , shoots 910fps Regged at 90bars w/ 9.57gr . 42 shots/fill
The first np-03 I went crazy on . Maxed it out mechanically then detuned it to be more accurate . Love It !!!
The second np-03 I went a different road . Left the 16" barrrel , carbon fiber shroud w/o the cap , stone polished the trigger assembly , replaced the hammer spring . Very nice .
The Knight is next on the list , maybe ? I've been wanting to build a 22 cal NP-580 ...I have decided fully which project is next ...
Here is a picture of the crazy build ; I call the NP-03 SS , shoots 910fps Regged at 90bars w/ 9.57gr . 42 shots/fill
Upvote 0
I have a .25 NP-03 coming and my plan is to regulate it and get it around 35fpe or so with JSB Hades.
Not even considering all out max with this gun,
This gun is for a packable / clandestine type situations wear a little stealth is required, and these situations do not require max power and are generally 20 - 35 yards max and targets of opportunity.
I know what my .22 port wise looks like, and I'll only open up what I need to make it flow a little better.
Not even considering all out max with this gun,
This gun is for a packable / clandestine type situations wear a little stealth is required, and these situations do not require max power and are generally 20 - 35 yards max and targets of opportunity.
I know what my .22 port wise looks like, and I'll only open up what I need to make it flow a little better.
Upvote 0
kkarmical,
forgive my ignorance, what is an NP-03?
Tell me more about the "packable/ clandestine" situations, sounds cool.
Matthias
Upvote 0
kkarmical,
forgive my ignorance, what is an NP-03?
Tell me more about the "packable/ clandestine" situations, sounds cool.
Matthias
There are a few area's where it would freak people out if I were to just openly carry a rifle, even an air rifle.
Legal places to shoot outside city limits, but sometimes what people don't know is better for me anyway.
Then there are a few bike paths I use, and hiking trails where again I could just simply sling an air rifle over my shoulder, but I choose to be discreet.
The ability to have a packable little carbine is a good thing.
I can pack my bullpups if need be, but this np-03 and it's ability to be broken down to a pistol is going to be interesting little carbine.
Upvote 0
Great topic to see right now. I have a sidelever breech for a 30 cal armada bottle carbine heading my way which will allow me to turn up the hammer spring and still have easy cocking compared to the current the bolt action. Now I'm thinking that maybe keeping it in the 840-850 fps range is where I should keep it. I can say that I have currently detuned several of my guns to improve shot count and some actually seem to be more accurate and of course with less hammer spring much nicer to cock as well. I do agree that turning a gun up isn't always the solution lol, as fun as it is to have a 25 caliber armada shooting at 70 fpe! It seems the longer I'm involved in this hobby my perspective continues to change on topics like this one.
Upvote 0
Speaking of detuning and Armada I have one in 22 that's a 100% fully WAR done from top to bottom inside and out with MMHF barrel previously a 50+fpe gun currently turned down to 30fpe and boy is she SWEET! YO!
Upvote 0
Yeah I've occasionally jacked my guns up to max just to see how far I could push them, often with great results, but always end up going for the 'Goldilocks' tune in the end.
You tend gain much more than you lose going this way I find.
You tend gain much more than you lose going this way I find.
Upvote 0
I will tune for speed first, then check for accuracy. I will get all I can out of a gun speed wise as long as the accuracy is there. The quicker the pellet gets to the target the less chances of it being diverted by wind deviations, etc. Not too worried about shot count as I have my own in house air supply that’ll top off a tank fast. As long as I can get two magazines worth that comes with a gun, I’m happy.
If it means my regulators life is cut shorter than normal wear and tear so be it. These guns have to be maintained anyway, and as long as parts are available, I’m not critical about being too hard on equipment,
now, having said all of that, if I was to pack up and head to Arizona for EBR, I would favor dropping the speed for the sake of shot count combined with precision accuracy. Same if I was into field target shooting.
But for my current needs and current guns, a 30 cal 44.75 grain pellet at 930-950 FPS puts a grin on my mug.
If it means my regulators life is cut shorter than normal wear and tear so be it. These guns have to be maintained anyway, and as long as parts are available, I’m not critical about being too hard on equipment,
now, having said all of that, if I was to pack up and head to Arizona for EBR, I would favor dropping the speed for the sake of shot count combined with precision accuracy. Same if I was into field target shooting.
But for my current needs and current guns, a 30 cal 44.75 grain pellet at 930-950 FPS puts a grin on my mug.
Upvote 0
+1 to this. Seems like a perfectly logical way to chase the best result, which as noted might be different for varying types of shooting. But a good baseline method that I use as well.
Upvote 0
It's all about what you need. My Impact .25 is set up for about 69.5 foot pounds with an Athlon Ares. It will take pellets as far as they can go, and I'll probably try slug's, too. This has made the gun too powerful for close range work, in fact, it won't even focus at short ranges. I'd like a low power gun to put my 4k Pro on. An Impact Compact, HW100, maybe even a Leshy2. A gun has to be accurate and tuned for the intended use.
Upvote 0
^This-sounds a lot like this-"I will get all I can out of a gun speed wise as long as the accuracy is there."
Upvote 0
bandg, yes, if long range and getting the best wind fighting characteristics is the goal. For a low power gun, then I'd be looking for accuracy and maybe shot count. You don't need many ft lbs at 5-25 yards.
Upvote 0
There was a thread about wind deflection of pellets started by centercut while back. What came out of that discussion is the fact that pellets have less wind drift at at about 900fps muzzle velocity. With similar results from 850-970 fps. anything above or below these velocities actually resulted in more wind drift.
Source: Bob Sterne. https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/the-external-ballistics-of-diabolo-pellets/
Source: Bob Sterne. https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/the-external-ballistics-of-diabolo-pellets/
Upvote 0
Yes, I agree with you, DShepard. A second gun for the other needs that require low power. As an example, I heard a noise out in the back yard, and saw a dozen rats running back and forth on my fence’s top rail, raiding my bird feeder. Pretty good size ones, at that. A 25 or 30 cal wildcat set at high horsepower will easily blow a hole thru the 3/4” fence slats. For that, the Marauder PRod at 675 FPS is on deck.
which leads me to believe that the average first time pcp guy that posts up asking for help in choosing a caliber for the “one gun” that will do it all, will end up within a year getting a lowered power one if he initially bought in to a 25 or 30 cal for his initial raccoon problem. Different calibers, different velocities, along with distance to shot, will all produce different results.
which leads me to believe that the average first time pcp guy that posts up asking for help in choosing a caliber for the “one gun” that will do it all, will end up within a year getting a lowered power one if he initially bought in to a 25 or 30 cal for his initial raccoon problem. Different calibers, different velocities, along with distance to shot, will all produce different results.
Upvote 0