Is there an estimate of how many foot pounds are needed to diverse hunt?
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Nothing is set in stone and is mostly subjective, but here are some basic guidelines. https://www.airgundepot.com/vault/articles/basic-airgun-hunting-guidelines/
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Thanks a lot.
Is just a reference, but is an idea.
I have taken Javalina with .22 Cal, .25 Cal., .30 Cal., and .357 Cal. All of them dead on their tracks.
Shot placement is THE difference.
What is clear is that with the appropriate pellet and good head shot placement the .25 Cal with 54 foot pounds could be enough for coyote size animals and even Javalina.
But .30 Cal is a better option for jack rabbit to Javalina.
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So a .30 at 100fpe could take anything up to deer size with proper shot placement. 115 Fpe is 22lr power levels. I’ve shot a squirrel at 100 fpe damage wasn’t too bad.
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My goodness let somebody say here that it is never a good idea to shoot at a deer with a 100 fpe rifle !!!!!!!! I think I just did that 
. Please do not reply with all you stories about what huge pigs and deer and other big animals you have shot with your .25 or .30 pcp. Just don’t do it unless you have a 100% sure shot within an inch at the right place . This asks for anatomic know how and a unique situation in the wild . It might come together for you one day but as a general rule...... NO!
. Please do not reply with all you stories about what huge pigs and deer and other big animals you have shot with your .25 or .30 pcp. Just don’t do it unless you have a 100% sure shot within an inch at the right place . This asks for anatomic know how and a unique situation in the wild . It might come together for you one day but as a general rule...... NO!Upvote 0
Nope never shot a deer with an air gun. I just know that poachers back home would use a .22 lr for head shots on deer and it worked. I had a warden friend always ranting about it that’s why it’s possible not ethical or Likely legal. But its my point a high power .30 would give the largest range of hunting flexibility with out destroying little stuff.
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Aah...o.k if that is the background. Sure the more fps the wider the hunting range but is is better to have dedicated kalibers and power outputs for different jobs. Always remember that shot placement is first and than shot placement and than shot placement before anything else with airguns !!!!
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@johnnypdx I agree, but I had the same chat with a buddy of mine. My friend is watching and loving my 25 cal Taipan Vet Compact (minus the looks), but he thinks the trigger is better than his $10,000 custom made Weatherby.
This friend of mine bought my Brocock Compatto Sniper XR, and loves it, but wants a step up caliber. I recommended the 25 cal to my friend, and the gun was the FX MKII Crown Continuum. The Crown give him some options for calibers if he wishes to chose, in the future, plus the two barrels for his squirrel sniping on his 40 acre summer property. One short barrel for stalking under 75 yards, and the longer barrel for over bench shooting the mass of ground squirrels he tells me about at his property in Idaho.
The reason I mentioned the 25 cal over the 30 cal is efficiency and cost. As you go up a caliber you can double the price of ammo, at least pellets from what people seem to say plus if you look number of shorts per fill on the Crown MKII the 30 cal gets half as many shots as the 25 cal. My buddy is looking from Sparrow to Turkey / Coyote for a seasonal thing. Maybe down to Texas for pigs and he cal always buy a 30 cal barrel set up crown for that.
This friend of mine bought my Brocock Compatto Sniper XR, and loves it, but wants a step up caliber. I recommended the 25 cal to my friend, and the gun was the FX MKII Crown Continuum. The Crown give him some options for calibers if he wishes to chose, in the future, plus the two barrels for his squirrel sniping on his 40 acre summer property. One short barrel for stalking under 75 yards, and the longer barrel for over bench shooting the mass of ground squirrels he tells me about at his property in Idaho.
The reason I mentioned the 25 cal over the 30 cal is efficiency and cost. As you go up a caliber you can double the price of ammo, at least pellets from what people seem to say plus if you look number of shorts per fill on the Crown MKII the 30 cal gets half as many shots as the 25 cal. My buddy is looking from Sparrow to Turkey / Coyote for a seasonal thing. Maybe down to Texas for pigs and he cal always buy a 30 cal barrel set up crown for that.
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The cost to benefit between .30 and .25 is probably similar to that of .22 to .25.
Honestly I see the pellets drifting off POA, at 60+ yards, equally between .22 and .25.
My BSA R10 .22 can pretty much keep up with the Taipan VL.25 in 60+ yard accuracy cuz the wind doesn't care.
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@johnnypdx in my friend's case, since he has the .177 then go to a 25 for the type of hunting he wants to do.
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That's a big jump and a good one. The Taipan .25 is my go-to for GS and anything else if I can get away with the pass-through and power
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My goodness let somebody say here that it is never a good idea to shoot at a deer with a 100 fpe rifle !!!!!!!! I think I just did that
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The smallest caliber PB rifle to harvest deer is a .243 which has a muzzle velocity of about 3000 fps and 2000 fpe. At 600 yards it still has about 1200 fpe. Unless you are using a .45 or .50 cal air rifle at less than 50 yards don't even consider it!
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My goodness let somebody say here that it is never a good idea to shoot at a deer with a 100 fpe rifle !!!!!!!! I think I just did that. Please do not reply with all you stories about what huge pigs and deer and other big animals you have shot with your .25 or .30 pcp. Just don’t do it unless you have a 100% sure shot within an inch at the right place . This asks for anatomic know how and a unique situation in the wild . It might come together for you one day but as a general rule...... NO!
I have hunt all my life and have a lot of deer with 30-06.
I have three white tailed with .357 air rifle. Two with heart and two lungs shots (they walked 40 yards and falled dead) and one with a head shot at 40 yards. The deer was feeding. No one of the deer I had ever harvested by any mean died faster.
I share the picture in order that you can see where exactly the shot has to be set in order to have an immediate result. This was, again, with .357 at 144 foot pounds energy and 40 yards away.
The deer was lightly to my left, so the pellet flight slightly from right to left:
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diverse hunt up to what and in what circumstance distance etc .. my opinion is you need about 50fpe min to start being pretty effective as a all around hunting gun ... so, a .25 at about 900fps is what i consider as getting 'serious' .. it wont take everything with any shot tho, nothing will .. but if you have to in a survival scenario say, yeah you could drop a deer with a clean head shot ... a grizzly, hell no lol ..
..but consider this - i broad sided a large boar one time with 3" 1buck and it took off, after going after it it turned around and charged me out of the palmettos and i 'unloaded' a 357 revolver into it before it finally fell over about 8ft in front of me ... what pellet gun do you think wouldve worked there?
..but consider this - i broad sided a large boar one time with 3" 1buck and it took off, after going after it it turned around and charged me out of the palmettos and i 'unloaded' a 357 revolver into it before it finally fell over about 8ft in front of me ... what pellet gun do you think wouldve worked there?
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diverse hunt up to what and in what circumstance distance etc .. my opinion is you need about 50fpe min to start being pretty effective as a all around hunting gun ... so, a .25 at about 900fps is what i consider as getting 'serious' .. it wont take everything with any shot tho, nothing will .. but if you have to in a survival scenario say, yeah you could drop a deer with a clean head shot ... a grizzly, hell no lol ..
..but consider this - i broad sided a large boar one time with 3" 1buck and it took off, after going after it it turned around and charged me out of the palmettos and i 'unloaded' a 357 revolver into it before it finally fell over about 8ft in front of me ... what pellet gun do you think wouldve worked there?
you were lucky to have that revolver with you !! Imagine it would have been a grizzly
serious all can be done with anything but there is such as ethical hunting and please , please play the game at those rules !
( I bet there is a guy on the forum who shot a lion with a slingshot !!!!!)
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No one at at !!!..... Unless there's a miracle and you can place the pellet in the exact place on a charging beast..... A miracle!
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My goodness let somebody say here that it is never a good idea to shoot at a deer with a 100 fpe rifle !!!!!!!! I think I just did that. Please do not reply with all you stories about what huge pigs and deer and other big animals you have shot with your .25 or .30 pcp. Just don’t do it unless you have a 100% sure shot within an inch at the right place . This asks for anatomic know how and a unique situation in the wild . It might come together for you one day but as a general rule...... NO!
I have hunt all my life and have a lot of deer with 30-06.
I have three white tailed with .357 air rifle. Two with heart and two lungs shots (they walked 40 yards and falled dead) and one with a head shot at 40 yards. The deer was feeding. No one of the deer I had ever harvested by any mean died faster.
I share the picture in order that you can see where exactly the shot has to be set in order to have an immediate result. This was, again, with .357 at 144 foot pounds energy and 40 yards away.
The deer was lightly to my left, so the pellet flight slightly from right to left:
Super done. nice memory from that shot. This shows what big bore pcp in perfect circumstances can do. But again only in the kind of circumstances you and I described.
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Dizzums "what pellet gun" A 30cal LCS on full auto and with a bayonet attached, just wait until you seen the whites of it's eyes before letting fly.
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