Is the air gun world a playground for scam artists? Sorry, long.

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    1BadDart
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      I am looking for a FWB 300S and have placed ads on a few sites. One being Accurateshooter.com, this is a site I've bought reloading stuff, scopes and various shooting items off of over the years with no issues. The day after I post I get a reply from a guy who just joined the forum has no posts saying he has the rifle I'm looking for for sale. The grammer was off so the red flag was up, but I'm thinking he may actually have the gun so I send him a return message. I asked which version he had and requested photos, I also pointed out that he had no posts on the forum and asked for his user name on other related sites. His reply confirmed my suspicions, he said yes he was new to the site but he had "done many deals" with other people and could provide me with e-mail addresses. He was also very pushy aboug getting the "deal done" and this was the "exact gun" I was looking for. The grammar was way off in this one so l replied and politely passed on the "deal" as he put it. After a few PM's with a mod there it was confirmed he was a scammer, in one hour he had logged in from three IP addresses, two from different parts of the U.S. and one overseas. He's banned but it's easily worked around.

      My second run in happened when I replied to an ad for a 300S on Armslist. There are two photos of the rifle sitting on a dining room table, it has a scope and is a decent looking rifle and I thought the price was in line for what the rifle with a no name scope that I'd never heard of was worth. I contact the guy about the gun to see if it's still available since the ad is a month and half old and requested more photos. Yes he still has it, doesn't know much about it as it belonged to his brother who had passed away. Now the grammer is pretty good on this one and according to the ad he's in Ohio. Southern ohio is really not very far from me so I ask him where in Ohio and for some more photos and the serial number. It takes a day or so for his reply in which he states that he has relocated to Georgia, okay no problem. He says he has many photos he can send but says he won't send them unless he is sure I'm buying his gun! The red flag is now popping in the wind. I told him I was a serious buyer and asked for a phone number and sent him my cell number. Another day or so goes by and I get a text asking if I'm the guy interested in a rifle he has for sale? I reply yes, then checked the area code, Atlanta. Ok this guy may be for real. His reply is "that's good to know, how can we make this work?" I told him I'd like some more photo's to see the overall condition of the rifle and a photo of the serial number. The next day I get several photos of a rifle, serial number included and it now has open sights, he says they are up dated photos. The photos in the ad show it with a scope. I immediately recognize the photos, they are of a rifle I've been trying to buy on another site. I replied and told him it was strange that he had a rifle with the same exact serial number and in fact the same photos as the rifle on antoher site. Crickets, nothing since.

      I've been buying car and gun stuff from individuals off the internet for years and have never ran into this, two scammers in less than two weeks. The only problems I've ever had were misrepresentation of the items for sale and only a couple of those. I've had a policy in the past not to deal with folks who have g-mail addresses, both of these guys did. This really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

     

    Sorry for the long drawn out rant.

    Justin

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    YamahaR1
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    I hear ya Justin, I absolutely hate scammers cannot stand people that do this. Take another mans hard earned cash for nothing. Not a single one of the individuals that do this crap deserve any quality of life. I feel your frustrations been there a few times. But the good thing is there are a lot of great people in these airgun forums and are honest and helpful. Hope you are able to find the gun you are after!    

    Best Regards, Randall

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    JoeWayneRhea
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       Justin if something feels " off" it usually is . There's a couple of completely trustworthy sources for vintage rifles … And a ton of guys that will say they have the " item" you are looking for . 

       Holler at Carel and JimE on AA classified . I have bought many rifles from both and they Always come thru . If you want I can send you their contact info .

        The Only place I buy used guns now are from guys I know thru the forums ..And guys here . Michael and the moderators work hard to keep this forum clean …..But if you post a WTB anywhere you will eventually attract some rats .

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    Thanks guys, it's just frustrating. I hunt, fish, shoot, reload, drag race, fool with old cars and tractors and have never experienced this. Being a country boy maybe I'm naive, lol.

    Joe I sent Jim a message a few weeks ago and told him I was in the market for a 300S. I'd like to pick your brain a little about one I've found.

     

    Justin

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    bigdaves40
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    Justin, I bought a FWB 300S from Jim E. . Great pictures and the gun was expectly what he told me me. Had in hand in 3 days.  Shoots super accurate!!! Dave

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    hawkeye69
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    I just sold my Nikon scope to someone here. I have had no previous sales for referral, so I gave him my phone number and also offered to do a video call so he could see that I actually had the item. He asked for me to email him some additional photos, which is a good idea I had not thought of before. If someone doesn't have the item they likely can't give you more photos.  Even better would be to ask for specific photos, like closeups of certain areas of the item.

     

     

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    Tominco
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    "Pellet guns" generally would indicate a younger and more naive audience and therefore less experienced in the ways of scammers. Many of the rifles we deal with are 1K-3K. Knock the price down just enough to hit that "too good to be true?" borderline and you might just catch a new fish! 

    WTB ads are the easiest for a scammer to take advantage of someone. You're excited about what you're looking for, you're after a good deal on something in great shape and that's just what you're offered. It's an easy trap to fall into. I know from personal experience that cost me about $275. Expensive lesson! But it's much less than some others have paid. 

    These guys know that the authorities aren't going to pursue them. All they have to watch out for is someone getting their physical address and taking matters into their own hands. Sorry to say, that doesn't happen very often. It's easy pickings and could net them a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. 

    The really tough ones are the ones that know what they're talking about, buy and sell a little, and then decide to scam someone. Don't ever send money to the PP account "[email protected]" This is the PP account for Anthony Jarvis who used this very process to scam a lot of people around May of last year.

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    The ironic thing is that these half-wits work so hard trying to scam when they could just get a job and put the effort into making an honest living.  Foolishness.  They used to be pretty easy to spot but they are getting craftier with their scams so beware!

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    1BadDart

     

    I have a new 300s I keep meaning to list for sale…………. ;) . Now the word new and 300s does sound like a scam.

     

    Joe its the one I got from you out of that guys gun collection that you replaced the seals in. I'm too lazy to take the pictures. And I have a extra left hand stock that I'm going to list it with both right and left or right only(right is what it came with). That's part of the hold up since I need to take a few pics with the left hand stock on it. And I have planned on selling a couple of LGRs first. And this is not an ad for the rifle. When I move off my butt I'll yell at you Dart before I post the ad.

    well I do have one picture on my desk top of the NOS 300s. Guess I should have wiped off the finger prints on the barrel before that shot.

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    Goodtogo I’ve sent you a pm.

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    djl62150
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    I have been selling and buying on the internet for years.  It is true that in the airgun industry, scammers are plentiful.  Also, they have invaded other venues as well.  There is alway something that does not seem right.  I try to keep my ads simple with all the information needed to make a reasonable decision.  A first tip-off to me is a question that is clearly answered in the ad. Then comes the typical request for far more information than is necessary. 

    If buying, it is always good to get additional pictures and often of specific areas…and even better including that days publication of a newspaper clearly showing the date.  

    Just a couple of things I have learned.  

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    FukoChan
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    Really interesting that this shows up during the predicament I am facing. I had the same problem with item misrepresentating.

    I have a idea that I'm curious to hear your opinions about:

    Maybe the inclusion of a middleman will help. Money gets sent via paypal friends and family to a well known person on the forums like a moderator. Moderator/middleman holds the money and releases it only when item has made it to recipient and found to be accurate for the buyer. Middle man gets paid a fee for handling transaction.

    Thought of this idea just now.

     

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/classifieds-middleman-suggestion-to-stop-scammers/

     

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      I am looking for a FWB 300S and have placed ads on a few sites. One being Accurateshooter.com, this is a site I've bought reloading stuff, scopes and various shooting items off of over the years with no issues. The day after I post I get a reply from a guy who just joined the forum has no posts saying he has the rifle I'm looking for for sale. The grammer was off so the red flag was up, but I'm thinking he may actually have the gun so I send him a return message. I asked which version he had and requested photos, I also pointed out that he had no posts on the forum and asked for his user name on other related sites. His reply confirmed my suspicions, he said yes he was new to the site but he had "done many deals" with other people and could provide me with e-mail addresses. He was also very pushy aboug getting the "deal done" and this was the "exact gun" I was looking for. The grammar was way off in this one so l replied and politely passed on the "deal" as he put it. After a few PM's with a mod there it was confirmed he was a scammer, in one hour he had logged in from three IP addresses, two from different parts of the U.S. and one overseas. He's banned but it's easily worked around.

      My second run in happened when I replied to an ad for a 300S on Armslist. There are two photos of the rifle sitting on a dining room table, it has a scope and is a decent looking rifle and I thought the price was in line for what the rifle with a no name scope that I'd never heard of was worth. I contact the guy about the gun to see if it's still available since the ad is a month and half old and requested more photos. Yes he still has it, doesn't know much about it as it belonged to his brother who had passed away. Now the grammer is pretty good on this one and according to the ad he's in Ohio. Southern ohio is really not very far from me so I ask him where in Ohio and for some more photos and the serial number. It takes a day or so for his reply in which he states that he has relocated to Georgia, okay no problem. He says he has many photos he can send but says he won't send them unless he is sure I'm buying his gun! The red flag is now popping in the wind. I told him I was a serious buyer and asked for a phone number and sent him my cell number. Another day or so goes by and I get a text asking if I'm the guy interested in a rifle he has for sale? I reply yes, then checked the area code, Atlanta. Ok this guy may be for real. His reply is "that's good to know, how can we make this work?" I told him I'd like some more photo's to see the overall condition of the rifle and a photo of the serial number. The next day I get several photos of a rifle, serial number included and it now has open sights, he says they are up dated photos. The photos in the ad show it with a scope. I immediately recognize the photos, they are of a rifle I've been trying to buy on another site. I replied and told him it was strange that he had a rifle with the same exact serial number and in fact the same photos as the rifle on antoher site. Crickets, nothing since.

      I've been buying car and gun stuff from individuals off the internet for years and have never ran into this, two scammers in less than two weeks. The only problems I've ever had were misrepresentation of the items for sale and only a couple of those. I've had a policy in the past not to deal with folks who have g-mail addresses, both of these guys did. This really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

     

    Sorry for the long drawn out rant.

    Justin

     

     

    Well  at least Justin's third try got him a rifle.  ;)

     

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