Is it safe to use C-L-P firearms products in the bore of a PCP rifle?

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    DHart
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    I would like to clean the bore of my Daystate Red Wolf.

    Are any of the following products safe to use (sparingly, of course) in the bore of a PCP rifle:

    – Shooters Choice FP-10 (a CLP product – reputed to be non-toxic)

    – Slip 2000 CLP Gun Oil (non-toxic)

    – Rem Oil

    – Break Free

    – Otis Ultra Bore CLP

    and I have some Napier Power VP90 Airgun Oil on the way from Amazon.

    AND, is it helpful to use Airgun pellet lube on your pellets?  Does this help keep the barrel cleaner?

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    gadballs9
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    DHart

    I would like to clean the bore of my Daystate Red Wolf.

    Are any of the following products safe to use (sparingly, of course) in the bore of a PCP rifle:

    – Shooters Choice FP-10 (a CLP product – reputed to be non-toxic)

    – Slip 2000 CLP Gun Oil (non-toxic)

    – Rem Oil

    – Break Free

    – Otis Ultra Bore CLP

    and I have some Napier Power VP90 Airgun Oil on the way from Amazon.

    AND, is it helpful to use Airgun pellet lube on your pellets?  Does this help keep the barrel cleaner?

    I use Goo-gone. Works great. As for lubin the jury is still out. Some get all anal about it and others never do it. I've tried it and saw no differnce in group size or barrel cleanliness.

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    eeler1
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    Thing is, most folks are afraid of petroleum based lubes, or for that matter any lubes, that have the potential to detonate under pressure.  Think of a diesel motor on steroids, which in an airgun tube would be a disaster.  The general rule is to keep petroleum based lubes away from high pressure or high temperatures.  So do some research, see what’s in clp, what temperature or pressure would cause it to detonate.  Maybe  you can keep it in the barrel and have none migrate to the pressurized stuff.  Only you know if you are willing to risk it.  

    That said, many people use FP-10 or Napier to lube pellets.  I use slick 50/One Lube.  But lubing pellets is one thing,lubing the gun is another,

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    Stefanjan
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    Also be aware some petrol based products can atack o rings.  I use wd 40 to clean and run dry patches until dry..  havent tried lube on plellets yet.  No one difinitive answer on that one.  Oh and most only clean the barrels when accuracy falls off.  For md it equates to about 1000 shots.  

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    crittahitta
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    Dhart go to the aaec website and watch the video on cleaning airgun barrels. Pretty good stuff. And as far as washing and lubing. Yes. I believe it works for me. Keeps my fingers a bit cleaner. Keeps my barrel cleaner longer and as far as accuracy I would say a little bit but mostly on my springers.

    I use warm water and dish soap to clean and after it is fully dry I use pledge furniture spray. Works great. If you do decide to lube dont do a whole tin til after you test 10 to 20 pellets first. I have recently tried lubing H&N Grizzly 25 cal pellets that were very accurate in my condor ss unwashed and in a moment of "BRILLIANCE" i washed 2 tins at once and now they shoot all over like a shotgun blast. First time that ever happened with a pellet.

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    John_in_Ma
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    I've used rem oil and now use kroil to clean my pcp barrels. I wouldn't recommend it for springers as it may cause dieseling.

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    douger
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    I use balastal 

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    Michael
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    I've been using GunZilla to clean my barrels and I'm very happy with the results.

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    elh0102
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    I think any of those products, and many more, are effective. But, I usually don't clean until I see accuracy fall off, which is between seldom, and almost never, depending on the rifle and pellets. I generally wash and lube pellets, although I can't prove the value of it. Some pellets are dirtier than others. I use mostly JSB, which tend to be clean. I used to shoot the brown box Crosman pellets, which were very dirty. I figure it can't hurt, and may reduce bore fouling. But, I'm retired and can spend time doing useless things. 

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    Gunny994
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    CLP is fine for barrel cleaning

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    EDgunWest
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    It is safe on the bareels.  Here is a consideration.  Most Airgun barrels can rust.  It is almost impossible to remove all the water from your compressed air.  Every shot can deposit some water inside your barrel.  There is no better subsance at displacing water than WD40.  When I am going to let an Airgun sit for a bit I always run a patch of WD40 down the barrel before storing it..

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    DHart
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    Thanks folks for the replies and all the good info.  I will attend to barrel cleaning as needed, and will soon begin washing my pellets. I may even engage in a bit of pellet sorting and lubing. Being retired, one has time for these kinds of things.  As I shoot my powder burners less these days and shoot air rifles a LOT, what time I might have spent doing precision reloading for powder burners I can now apply to fussing over little lead pellets. 😜

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    Blackthunder
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    On the barrel yes. But break free CLP is aggressive as heck and eats brass and copper, it also effects some synthetic materials. I assume it would wreck havoc on o-rings. I would not use it near any pcp.

    Break Free CLP is also  toxic, for his reason the Dutch army stopped using it….

     

     

     

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    Blackthunder

    On the barrel yes. But break free CLP is aggressive as heck and eats brass and copper, it also effects some synthetic materials. I assume it would wreck havoc on o-rings. I would not use it near any pcp.

    Break Free CLP is also  toxic, for his reason the Dutch army stopped using it….

     

     

     

    Gunzilla CLP is supposed to be safe. I'll soak an o-ring in some for a few days and see how it fares. I'll try one in Break Free CLP as well.

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    Blackthunder
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    Soaking an o-ring for a while seems like a good idea. Ballistol for example, (very popular in Europe) claims to be safe on plastics, my testing shows that it is not.

     

    Break Free CLP is great stuff for firearms, and is (or was) used by many governments. It is also the go to oil for many collectors / museums.

    I personally would not use any CLP product on an airgun, there is no copper /  carbon / plastic fouling. I find the claims on the product above almost to bold to be true. If the above product removes lead (which I doubt), this is really not desirable in an airgun.

    I only use silicone oil on my airguns, and even then I do a burn test to see if it is flammable.

     

     

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    Blackthunder
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    But the answer the question. ' Reply To: Is it safe to use C-L-P firearms products in the bore of a PCP rifle? '

    Check with the manufacturer.

    Steyr barrels fore example are coated and Steyr does not recommend shooting non lead pellets. I could image that CLP's (some of which such as Break Free are quite aggressive) could damage these coated barrels.

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    Mrshosted
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    I called Ballistol and asked them about the o-rings.  They told me there would be know problems or damaging problems to orings.  In fact Ballistol would help preserves the rubber.  Ive been using it for over 3 years and no problems at all.  

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    DHart
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    From what I’ve gathered, Ballisto is a good choice.  And Gunzilla may well be an exceptionally great choice!  Thanks everyone!

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    Blackthunder
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    Ballistol was a great product 100 years ago (literally), it is straight mineral (baby oil) with pine smell and some color added to it. it does not clean and it is not a great lubricator, it is a decent protector but it does oxidize and gum up. try it yourself. I once put some in a dropper bottle and it destroyed the rubber balloon of the bottle. Ballistol claims that it does not gum up, I have seen it do that all time. Even on the threads of balisstol bottles.

    The claims ballistol makes are outright lies: https://ballistol.com/uses/ on their German site, they even claim that can be used on human and animal skin and that it disinfects… Using it on wood and leather is also not a good idea, in the it will make your leather too soft and brittle.

    I do not use CLPs or Balisstol on PCPs, I only use silicone based products that are safe around HPA equipment. But each to their own.

     

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    DHart
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    Unfortunately, I ordered a bottle of ballistol before finding out about Gunzilla. Now that I know what a great product Gunzilla is, I have ordered a bottle of it. Neither have arrived yet. Now I think the Ballistol was a total waste of money.  Oh well… at least I learned about Ballistol before putting it into my air gun. 

    Anybody know about Napier Power Gun Oil?  They rave about how great it is for air guns.

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