Is Fx really the most accurate guns on earth?

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    Motorhead
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    Another NO …..

    Tho said, don't mistake an accurate & skilled shooter to an accurate gun.

     

    For a couple years was sending along targets with the guns tuned so the owner had a base line for accuracy.  Catching flack more than once rifle would in no way shoot like the test target provided, it became obvious that not all shooters are created equal.    Quit providing targets there after ….

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    Blackpaw
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    This is the target provided with my Taipan Compact in 25 cal.  And I look at the target this way, here is what the gun is capable of, if you are.  AKA if you do your job, it  will do this:

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    Blackpaw

    This is the target provided with my Taipan Compact in 25 cal.  And I look at the target this way, here is what the gun is capable of, if you are.  AKA if you do your job, it  will do this:

    Is that at 265 yards??? You don’t say.   That detail might be significant wouldn’t you agree ? 

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    d3vnull
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    Isn't accuracy sort of subjective without any parameters? Seems to depend on distance, the objective or sport, and any rules applied. Not sure I'd shoot a 10 meter rifle at 100 yards, but doubt I'd take an FX to the Olympics either.

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    bubblerboy64
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    Correct. It’s all relative to variables and the biggest variable is the shooter.   There are some amazing groups shot and there also are in my opinion groups shown that are frankly not likely to be “honest”.   Or they are that once in a lifetime lucky one that we all have had.   I once shot a 10 shoot group with my Anschutz 22 that measured .75 inches at 100 yards. I’ve never come even close to duplicating it.   I’m an average shooter.   Meaning my best efforts are right around MOA.   You guys that claim half of that REPEATABLE  have my respect (but I’m also pretty skeptical )because it would have to be perfect conditions and obviously a perfectly tuned gun.  Holding a gun that still and breaking the trigger and then following thru is no mean feat.  If we had a gun capable of shooting one hole groups at 100 my guess is most of us would still have a heck of a time shooting consistently under an inch. Or you think not? 

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    intenseaty22
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    I call my .177 Wildcat the Wonder gun! Cause ya never know where or when that POI will shift to next. Now, I may not be the most skilled shooter in the world, but if I can shoot 1/4” to 1/2” groups at 20 to 30 yards with my other guns, but not with this one, it’s the Wildcat, not me. That’s an absolute, not a relative either. 

    So, you will get the rainbow of answers from that question, but from my current perspective, that’s a hard no. 

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    MoeHofer
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    davidsng

    I've had a few FX Airguns.  They are exceptionally good at shooting pellets at long range.  FX did nail it with pellets at long range.  That being said, most accurate gun is still the Matador R5M .22.  Here is why:

    The R5M faster twist rate is good for closer range pellets and also great for slugs.  Most of my shots that I take, are close. (Closer than the benefits of a FX shooting pellets.)  Therefore, for me, it does not make sense to go FX for hunting when 90% of my shots the LW barrel does fine.  If I was going long range, I just use slugs in the same LW Barrel because the twist is still perfect for slugs too. So therefore,  no Liner Flip/Flop! or buying any more add/on's, and marketing gimmicks. It's simple easy, durable, and accurate with both.

    You sure said it well David. My edgun r3m shoots both pellets and slugs supremely well! Zero and I mean ZERO POI SHIFT! And not 2 barrels. Just 1. 1 that does it all. And does it remarkably well! Yay Edgun!

     

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    Motorhead
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    Blackpaw

    This is the target provided with my Taipan Compact in 25 cal.  And I look at the target this way, here is what the gun is capable of, if you are.  AKA if you do your job, it  will do this:

    Factory test targets are shot in MACHINE RESTS best I've ever discovered.

    Machine rest stable and anything else for how held are very different !

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    Odoyle
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    Certain old lots of JSB pellets are capable of consistent MOA and less at 100 yards out of the FX liners. Unfortunately I haven't come across a modern batch that can consistently replicate it.

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    Parrotculler
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    Motorhead, you have hit it on the head as usual!

    The stress free, well balanced long-distance accurate off hand shooting is what I like about the Royale. That distinguishes it from chunky bullpups, however well made and practical to carry thru the brush, or from long guns that shoot amazing from a bench rest and vise. The other accuracy test that the Royale passes with flying colors is the weather test; its accuracy is only little impacted by wind for example.

    The only problem I see is that the accuracy risks becoming boring 😴 Darn, there is no perfection in this business!! 🐦

     

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    DerringerJack
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    OK I had no idea this was going to blow up like this. I will answer a few of the most common statements and questions. #1 I should have said what I consider accurate. For me it would be the gun with the least amount of fliers when using the ammo the gun likes best. For example I have been shooting jsb pellets of various kinds in all my airguns and prefer them most of the time but my pp700w just shoots cph better! I couldn't believe it but it's true. Anyway I often see these groups on YouTube shot from 75 or 100 yards and they are like half inch groups….. I consider myself a pretty good shooter. At 200 yards I often shoot 1 to 1.5in groups with my deer rifle with 5 shots from a cold bore. I also shoot my marauder that I upgraded as good or better than guys with high end guns up to 35 yards….. After about 40 yards tho I start getting more fliers and the fx guys just start beating me every time. If I get a high end gun I'd like to be able to get out to 100 with very consistent shots. #2 why do I think fx are ugly…. Well I'm never a fan of tactical guns and not a fan generally of laminate stocks. One exception is the raw stock. I like seamless traditional rifle looks. Actually one rifle I really like the look of is the spa m30. The one with the air cylinder surrounding the rifle. I think that would make a great looking gun if you slapped a pretty wood stock on it. It's just my preference. Daystate are very beautiful to me but way more expensive. I like some edguns too. #3 I didn't mean what guns are better persay. I guess what I meant was which gun generally speaking are more accurate at longer range with heavier pellets. I don't care about slugs because if I'm using slugs I might as well grab my 22lr. From what I'm hearing here I could get the same accuracy out of a well tuned raw and I could hold my own against someone with an impact. That's what I was really hoping for. If I can find a daystate with enough power and twist rate I might go that way. 

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    Greenarrow
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    Don't listen to all the haters, they are just jealous…. They most likely bought a FX for their first high end pcp after reading the forums because their cheap Chinese springer wasn't shooting pellet on pellet like everyone else's.  After they spent $1000+ on their shiny new FX and still couldn't hit the eye of a gnat at 60 yards, instead of realizing that they couldn't shoot for beans, they blamed the gun.  After all, they did just spend their rent money on a toy and it didn't do what they wanted.  So they moved out of their apartment (to save for another high end pcp) and went back and made a post about how FX stinks and what gun should I buy next.  While they were waiting to get enough $$$ saved for that second pcp,  they went back to the internet to learn how to set up a scope/rifle combo and to read wind at longer distances.  When the second gun shows up and they get it set up and shoot it they see more promising results.  After they stick 5 pellets nearly touching at 100 yards (after driving 5 hours to the desert because shooting guns in the city while living in their car is illegal) they make a post about it and then say how bad the FX gun they owned is.  Now they are new X BRAND fans and FX haters and here we are again.  

     

    So just do this, divorce the wife, sell the kids and the house, cash in your retirement early and go buy an FX Airgun.  You will see for yourself that they are the most accurate guns in the world and live in bliss!

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    intenseaty22

    I call my .177 Wildcat the Wonder gun! Cause ya never know where or when that POI will shift to next. Now, I may not be the most skilled shooter in the world, but if I can shoot 1/4” to 1/2” groups at 20 to 30 yards with my other guns, but not with this one, it’s the Wildcat, not me. That’s an absolute, not a relative either. 

    So, you will get the rainbow of answers from that question, but from my current perspective, that’s a hard no. 

    Thats why its named the WILDCAT…. it needs to be tamed!

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    Greenarrow
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    I love these threads!  It is SO amazing at how many of us have gone different routes and come up with different experiences/conclusions about everything airguns.  

    The one gun that seems to come up with nearly 100% agreement on as being a great among the great is the TAIPAN VETERAN.   Mention FX and watch the oil and water separate!  ha ha

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    MP44
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    No

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    2L8
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    To answer your question, my answer is not necessary. Depends on your ability to tune your own gun to shoot the way you want. The top tier guns will have the potential to be the "most accurate gun on earth" for you.

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    Greenarrow

    I love these threads!  It is SO amazing at how many of us have gone different routes and come up with different experiences/conclusions about everything airguns.  

    The one gun that seems to come up with nearly 100% agreement on as being a great among the great is the TAIPAN VETERAN.   Mention FX and watch the oil and water separate!  ha ha

    Although your post a couple before was very over the top but funny, I admit that in the scant three months I've been reading here(obsessively), the Taipan Veteran might well be the most unassailable as a rifle in the very top ranks that I've seen from the reports herein.  Sometimes it gets some publicity, be it good or bad, though never as much publicity as the FX Impact or even Dreamline.  But by far it seems to get the least bad publicity of any of the most popularly discussed air guns, by my estimation anyway.  And a very steady and repeatable amount of praise.  It seems almost humdrum to praise the Taipan Veteran, and with conviction .. but that in itself is exceptional and worth paying attention to.

    It sounds like people are so used to it being outstanding that they don't blink an eye at the fact anymore.

    Whereas everyone seems to be in an uproar over FX one way or the other.

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    madmunki
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    Look at what people are using at airgun competitions and that will give you a good idea of the most accurate guns for that discipline. FX Impact currently is leading the way, but a few other brands do sneak up the list from time to time. I use the gun results from competitions to determine what is currently the best, as these are professional shooters. I wouldn’t trust YouTube or other social media reviews as these are usually paid, and the reviewer is usually an amateur shooter. I am sure you can find a review on YouTube for a crosman where someone is touting it as the most accurate rifle ever, yet no one wins competitions for it. 

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    Greenarrow

    I love these threads!  It is SO amazing at how many of us have gone different routes and come up with different experiences/conclusions about everything airguns.  

    The one gun that seems to come up with nearly 100% agreement on as being a great among the great is the TAIPAN VETERAN.   Mention FX and watch the oil and water separate!  ha ha

    Although your post a couple before was very over the top but funny, I admit that in the scant three months I've been reading here(obsessively), the Taipan Veteran might well be the most unassailable as a rifle in the very top ranks that I've seen from the reports herein.  Sometimes it gets some publicity, be it good or bad, though never as much publicity as the FX Impact or even Dreamline.  But by far it seems to get the least bad publicity of any of the most popularly discussed air guns, by my estimation anyway.  And a very steady and repeatable amount of praise.  It seems almost humdrum to praise the Taipan Veteran, and with conviction .. but that in itself is exceptional and worth paying attention to.

    It sounds like people are so used to it being outstanding that they don't blink an eye at the fact anymore.

    Whereas everyone seems to be in an uproar over FX one way or the other.

    That was meant to be somewhat entertaining but I think there is a hint of truth in there too, at least from my perspective.  

    For myself it was hard to pay over $1000 for my first used FX Royale 400.  I had high hopes for it and when it didn't seem to measure up to the other 400 owners guns, I was really let down.  This was a HUGE purchase for me and I was expecting a wondergun.  I eventually sold that gun but I bought another FX, the Streamline.  It was amazing out of the box!  I couldn't have been happier.  I later bought a Wildcat that I am pleased with and now I have a new Royale 400 back in the house.  All great guns.  Nothing was wrong with that first Royale it just had some other issues with it (not the gun but the impression that I first had with it) that I couldn't let go of.  I needed to let that gun go to let the impressions with it go too.  First impressions can be VERY powerful.  Fortunately I was able to leave that behind and now I am experiencing some very pleasing guns that are accurate and easy to operate.  

    When I can I would like to own a Taipan Veteran and an Edgun Matador RM5.  Both 177.  Then I will have 3 top level bullpups and then I can determine for myself which I think is best.

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    Dingfelder
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    That sounds like a wonderful line-up.  I bought four guns in four months and think I will probably settle on two of them too.  You will have incredibly strong contenders to choose between, from everything I see about them.

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