I can’t believe the guy had the balls to corner one…Apparently with no weapon.
dang
mike
Nice shot. He didn’t need anesthesia.
dang
mike
Nice shot. He didn’t need anesthesia.
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Is anyone else burned out on people passing judgment on killing varmints?
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Not all critters are aggressive because a person corners them. Raccoons are said to be aggressive when cornered. I haven't known that personally to be the case. I've had to get close to a couple to help them out of the dumpster. I just jammed a wooden pole in the dumpster at an angle. One wasted no time climbing the pole. That one got to the rim of the dumpster, looked at me a few seconds, jumped down, and trotted off. No, I wasn't tempting fate by jumping inside the dumpster with them. They make a freaking mess out of bags of garbage.
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WillB
thank you for responding.
I have also put myself in positions much too close to raccoons. I once heard a raccoon and a short haired retriever fight. It sounded like bloody murder. We were in grass over our heads, which is why we got so close to him. His owner entered the circle of beat down grass and dispatched the raccoon when they flung themselves apart for a moment.
That took great bravery, and love of Dog. You cannot possibly imagine the sound of that fight.
mike
thank you for responding.
I have also put myself in positions much too close to raccoons. I once heard a raccoon and a short haired retriever fight. It sounded like bloody murder. We were in grass over our heads, which is why we got so close to him. His owner entered the circle of beat down grass and dispatched the raccoon when they flung themselves apart for a moment.
That took great bravery, and love of Dog. You cannot possibly imagine the sound of that fight.
mike
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I know Raccoons can be aggressive. One neighbor tried talking me into jumping into the dumpster with two of them, and grab them. I told the dude he was on mind-altering drugs.
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I witnessed a fight between a Black and Tanned coon dog and a racoon. It started on a bank of a small river then both the coon and dog went swimming.
The coon quickly swam at the dog, wrapped itself on top and round the dogs head and did everything it could to drown it.
Viscous little creatures!!
The coon quickly swam at the dog, wrapped itself on top and round the dogs head and did everything it could to drown it.
Viscous little creatures!!
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Hello --
I think judgement has already been passed on posting in re certain "pest" animals. To wit, I have removed by trap and airgun 126 animals that by all rights in my situation are vermin. We moved back to the country 2 years ago, and the first night in the house two of these animals snuck in through an open door and were sitting atop our packing boxes. Over the ensuing months I would find feces choke with worms, yellow in color (endocrine problem), solids and puddles. Found piles under my clothesline, in the rock garden where my kids play Tonkas and Army men and in my garage and driveway. A friend visited and said, "man, smells like poop everywhere here." He loaned me a trap and for several weeks that trap slammed shut up to 2-4 times a night, occasionally two animals in one trapping. Into a water-filled barrel the whole thing went. I ran 3-4 trap cameras through the whole affair, and still run em.
To pento the animal it costs 20$/ea. When I make our donation to the Humane Society around tax time, the last thing I want them spending my donation on is killing animals which are not fit to adopt out, which is every single one that is not newborn. Do the math.
I run cameras all the time. Collared animal? You get a pass. Nicked ear? No pass. There are fanciers of these animals that get the animal fixed at free clinics and then just drop them randomly on the way home. Park rangers tell me of "ladies" releasing these animals smack dab in the middle of high-elevation Federal refugia, relict habitat of our threatened and endangered forest birds. "But these are wild animals, I just want to let them go and be free in the wild." That kine BS is indicative of their toxo eat up brains. Am I judgemental of those kine people? You can bet your ass I am.
Long post, very personal. Sorry for the language. I'm strong, flame away.
Mark
I think judgement has already been passed on posting in re certain "pest" animals. To wit, I have removed by trap and airgun 126 animals that by all rights in my situation are vermin. We moved back to the country 2 years ago, and the first night in the house two of these animals snuck in through an open door and were sitting atop our packing boxes. Over the ensuing months I would find feces choke with worms, yellow in color (endocrine problem), solids and puddles. Found piles under my clothesline, in the rock garden where my kids play Tonkas and Army men and in my garage and driveway. A friend visited and said, "man, smells like poop everywhere here." He loaned me a trap and for several weeks that trap slammed shut up to 2-4 times a night, occasionally two animals in one trapping. Into a water-filled barrel the whole thing went. I ran 3-4 trap cameras through the whole affair, and still run em.
To pento the animal it costs 20$/ea. When I make our donation to the Humane Society around tax time, the last thing I want them spending my donation on is killing animals which are not fit to adopt out, which is every single one that is not newborn. Do the math.
I run cameras all the time. Collared animal? You get a pass. Nicked ear? No pass. There are fanciers of these animals that get the animal fixed at free clinics and then just drop them randomly on the way home. Park rangers tell me of "ladies" releasing these animals smack dab in the middle of high-elevation Federal refugia, relict habitat of our threatened and endangered forest birds. "But these are wild animals, I just want to let them go and be free in the wild." That kine BS is indicative of their toxo eat up brains. Am I judgemental of those kine people? You can bet your ass I am.
Long post, very personal. Sorry for the language. I'm strong, flame away.
Mark
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Sorry but the attitude "they're varmints we are trying to get rid of them" isn't an ethically valid one. We have a responsibility whenever we hunt or pest control to make the best ethical kills possible. If youre not willing to listen and be open to change, you're the problem. Not anyone else. This is a peculiarly American sentiment too. American hunting culture and ethics leaves a lot to be desired in many cases.
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Reading this, makes me think of the movie The Green Mile. The part of the movie when the guy didn’t wet the sponge. Made for a nasty and definitely not humane execution. But when the supervisor asked What the hell was that? Tom Hanks, can’t remember the characters name, stated an execution. Point being. That at the end he died all the same. The same goes for pest. The placement of the shot may not go as planned but as long as it’s ends in death. It’s all the same. If that bothers you then don’t watch or comment. It’s that simple.
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I hate it when people are lumped into large groups. We know that Americans are ugly. We also know that there are some bad American hunters. That’s not what we’re talking about.
What we’re talking about, is keeping your comments to yourself. If you don’t like the picture of the rodent with half his head missing, don’t look at it. There’s nothing wrong with celebrating a good shot, especially when you’re eliminating an animal that’s undesirable.
And certainly don’t tell me to eat it.
I try for humane kills every time I shoot.
mike
What we’re talking about, is keeping your comments to yourself. If you don’t like the picture of the rodent with half his head missing, don’t look at it. There’s nothing wrong with celebrating a good shot, especially when you’re eliminating an animal that’s undesirable.
And certainly don’t tell me to eat it.
I try for humane kills every time I shoot.
mike
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Mick Jagger:
My best friend, he shoots water rats, and feeds them to his geese.
Do you think he ever wounded one by accident?
mike
My best friend, he shoots water rats, and feeds them to his geese.
Do you think he ever wounded one by accident?
mike
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This this thread has gotten long and almost painful. I think most people who hunt or pest make every effort to kill as humanely as the situation allows. If you don’t you are being cruel and then it becomes evidence of a real character defect.
The rub as I see it is that we ( my self included ) hunt/ pest for “fun” . I really enjoy groundhog hunting and I think given those circumstances and facts we owe the animal even more a quick kill which is why on another thread I objected to long range (400 yard) AIR GUN shooting of prairie dogs. But I’ll grant each of you the freedom to make his or her own determination of what is moral , ethical or right. What would you tell or teach your kids? I think most people would object to ANY animal suffering needlessly. And certainly pests can be a really problem but some of you are expressing anger or resentment towards THE ANIMAL That’s as Spock would say “ILLOGICAL “ If opinions haven’t changed at least we’re thinking .
The rub as I see it is that we ( my self included ) hunt/ pest for “fun” . I really enjoy groundhog hunting and I think given those circumstances and facts we owe the animal even more a quick kill which is why on another thread I objected to long range (400 yard) AIR GUN shooting of prairie dogs. But I’ll grant each of you the freedom to make his or her own determination of what is moral , ethical or right. What would you tell or teach your kids? I think most people would object to ANY animal suffering needlessly. And certainly pests can be a really problem but some of you are expressing anger or resentment towards THE ANIMAL That’s as Spock would say “ILLOGICAL “ If opinions haven’t changed at least we’re thinking .
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Willbrayjr. I see KARMA coming for you
I'm not sure why. But apparently that’s what you say to ppl when you don’t know them. I don’t think anyone plans to make a bad shot. But it happens. And pesting wise as long as it dies. Who gives a crap. Hunting bad shots happen but you should try to track and finish the kill but sometimes that’s not possible. Nothing to lose sleep over unless it was a monster. Lol.
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Why would you read, and continue to read a thread that is becoming a long and painful?
Furthermore, why would you take the time to comment on such a thread? Why not just ignore it? That was really the ask behind the thread at the very beginning.
I grew up reading about prairie dog hunting. This was in outdoor life magazine, a pretty good publication. They were written by a guy named Jim Carmichael, and some others.
The big deal was to make that really long shot. The one that tested the ammo that you hand loaded, the custom rifle that you put together, the expensive glass you put on top, and all of the practice that went into being able to hit a prairie dog at 457 yards In 16 mile an hour winds.
Prairie dogs are completely unwanted anywhere except the zoo. I like testing my equipment and myself to see how far I can shoot accurately. The ranchers like that I want to shoot their dogs. Quite often they would come and hang out with us when we were shooting.
Apparently you don’t like guys who shoot prairie dogs at 400 yards. I do. I shot a chipmunk at 200 yards or a little less just a week ago. One shot one kill. Does that make me bad? If you think so, I really don’t want to hear about it in my post. You’re not going to change me.
So now you’re telling me I have a character defect because I like to shoot Varmints at range that you consider to be unethical. Come on, seriously? I would suggest not going on the hunting page if it bothers you to see people making shots at longer than your prescribed distance.
I believe you are the same gentleman, who asked me to quit shooting paper at such long distances. And could I show you how the rifle would shoot at 100 yards, instead of 240?
I’ll go back to the very beginning of both this post and this response, why do you go to these threads and read them and respond to them if you don’t like them?
Mike
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If you hunt it's not if you will make a bad shot. It's when will you make a bad shot. if you hunt long enough you Will make a bad shot! It's no difference than if you walk, sometime you will stumble and fall.
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Mike , because I don’t have anything better to do. Short answer Take what you will from what I said. There is no reason that we have to agree . Animal cruelty is a character flaw. It’s up to the individual hunter to make his own judgements as to how that’s defined. To make those judgments he should consider the opinions of others . Maybe even those with whom he disagrees . Mike if you are offended by what I said that’s on you not me. It wasn’t my intention just making a point as forcefully as I felt necessary .
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