IS AIR POWERED MUZZLE LOADER POSSIBLE?

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    CHUCK
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    I am wondering how anyone will shoot .30 cal. slugs out of a Wildcat or Impact? I can barely even single load Polymags with a pair of tweezers, and any slug longer than a pellet will not fit in the magazines. Unless….. we load them one at a time from the muzzle by pushing them down the barrel backwards with a push rod?…I think I may have just come up with an idea for an air powered muzzle loader!!! Why not? And I can even tell you what the best slug design would be for it…the original French Minie Ball slug!

    Here is an illustration of one where you can see that only the drive bands would touch the rifling, and just like the Minie the blast of air would expand the hollow cavity at the rear to create a seal in the barrel. For those who think this is foolish, the molds for the Minie can be purchased from RCBS right now, we would just have to order the mold in .30 caliber in either flat nose, round nose, or hollow point. Here is an illustration to look at and some pics…

    …Minie Ball Pellets from RCBS.

    This projectile changed the whole world of warfare especially during our Civil War! Rifled muskets shooting these projectiles could routinely hit targets at 300 yards by even the most inexperienced marksmen. Can you imagine a .30 cal. Minie slug printing 3 inch groups at 300 yards? To perform their best they required a very slow twist rate out of very long barrels…sounds to me like a perfect match to our slow twist rate using our long 700 mm STX barrels. Now if we can just get FX to develop a slug liner with the correct twist rate to stabilize these at a velocity of say…960 ft/s with a slug weight of say 60 grains? That would be a handy hunting power of 123 fpe in .30 cal. 

    And while I am at it I am wondering why none of the big bore airgunners….357, .45, & .50 caliber have not tried this slug design yet? And subsonic with the correct moderator these would be quietly lethal hunting pellets/slugs. By the way it is a nose heavy projectile similar to the skirted pellets we shoot now so they naturally want to fly straight and true, and it has a far superior drag coefficient than that of a skirted pellet

    Just some stray thoughts I wanted to put down to see if anyone else might have some ideas to add?

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    Is not the design of a gun like airforce texan already perfect for high powered slugs? The blast of air comes from a bottle behind the slug, more like a muzzle loader, but doeas not have the downsides of a muzzle loader.

     On the case of an impact shooting slugs. It probably can up to a certain caliber, but the design in it self is probably not the best for bigger calibers. The gun was originally not designed for that purpose, as it is a multi caliber gun. That means it has to be able to deliver low power also in caliber .177. Big bore airguns are designed only for that role, and doeas not need to meet the requirements of multi calibers, and different powers.

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    CHUCK
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    Yes the Texan is a miracle of engineering in its simplicity, but I am trying to think of a way for us Wildcat and Impact guys to shoot .30 caliber slugs out of our guns which have magazines which severely limit the length of the projectile we may use.

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    cahil_2
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    A friend of mine builds them. They look just like a flintlock. https://Airgunwarriors.com>the S.M.G.C. pneumatics play “Airguns Ambassadors” to the Grand Valley Cap n Ballers

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    Glem.Chally
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    How would you push a slug tail first through a choke consistently? ( using slugs shown and fx slug liner as the example)

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    CHUCK
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    I guess we would have to use liners with no choke which I think would be fine as long as we use this mini ball projectile that flies better from an unchoked Barrel anyway.

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    Revoman
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    Or you could build a screw on choke, like shotgunners use, remove it, push the lead through, reattach the choke and off you go.  Shotguns have internal threads, but what stops you from threading the outside of the barrel?

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    MScottLeeman
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    I'm sure it could be produced. So could a steam-powered helicopter. Given the availability of more effective technology,my question is Why would anyone bother? Just my thoughts.

    Mike

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    spysir
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    When/where legal people used to rig DAQ's and 909's as muzzle loaders, as long as you dont push back to far ( say on the 909) works just fine. 

     

     

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    Kwreece
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    Lewis and Clark carried an air rifle muzzle loader with them on the trip to the west coast in the early 1800's. Was supposedly a very effective gun capable of hunting dear.

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    scoutscope
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    Kwreece beat me to the punch😉 The rifle was also powerful medicine for impressing natives. I'm not going to start muzzle loading fine rifles/pups though. I think it would take me about one slug for me to screw up a perfectly good crown. Good luck

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    Kwreece

    Lewis and Clark carried an air rifle muzzle loader with them on the trip to the west coast in the early 1800's. Was supposedly a very effective gun capable of hunting dear.

    Actually it was a multishot breech loader if you are talking about the Girardoni.

    "it had a tubular, gravity-fed magazine with a capacity of 20 balls. This gravity operated design was such that the rifle had to be pointed upwards in order to drop each ball into the breech block."

    XP-Airguns.com make a Muzzle loader … The XP Fifty Eight which comes as a Muzzle loader or a standard breech loader!

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    CHUCK
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    Wow T3PRanch that is just too cool for words! And if I know my friend Bob Vogel he probably has one in his collection… What do you think about the Minie ball design for use as slugs for airguns?

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    dan_house
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    Gary Barnes made a few. All custom, took 3 years to get one, and it was not cheap. cool, but not cheap.

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    CHUCK

    Wow T3PRanch that is just too cool for words! And if I know my friend Bob Vogel he probably has one in his collection… What do you think about the Minie ball design for use as slugs for airguns?

    Well Chuck what I think is pretty much worthless  opinion IF it is not backed by real world data derived from testing which I have not done being as I don't have an Air Muzzle Loader.

    Having said that I suspect that they might work fine  if the characteristics of barrel twist and velocity are similar to those by which the Minie ball was developed to shoot well.

    Personally I would be more interested in a sabot carried round for a big bore that used a pistol bullet to attain a much higher velocity resulting in a much flatter trajectory and therefore better long range performance. To the best of my knowledge no one has yet made a sabot design that works well in an air powered gun.

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    CHUCK
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    Yea that is a great idea! I met a guy at the range one day that was sighting in his .45 cal muzzle loader using hollow point pistol bullets in plastic sabots…his 100 yard groups were in the 3" area. 

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