Intenseaty22's .177 WC...The Saga

I have been meaning to find the right time to start this thread & review as it will be long and involved. In the end, I think it will be best to just start it and go from there. This review will probably/hopefully take the form of different "chapters" if you will. It will also spill over into the new "PCP Tuning" section as my journey took me very rapidly into that arena. 

First and foremost I want to give a huge shout out to our very own @bigragu . I owe him much gratitude and appreciation for all the help, advice, and sharing of knowledge. Thank you brother! from the bottom of my heart. I also want to give a huge thanks @greenarrow for all the advice, feedback, and lending an ear to my frustrations.

Another note before I start. I know that FX has a lot of fans out there. I know that they have won competitions. I know some of y'all have FX guns that can shoot inside a dime at 100 yards. This is not a pissing contest. This is MY experience with A gun. 

I purchased this gun from the Classifieds section on AGN not too long ago. I really wanted to wait until next year to even contemplate another purchase, but I have been really wanting a .177 PCP. The WC2 in question was good package deal and was shooting almost single hole groups at about 30 yards as per the seller. I received the gun and set out to shoot it at 20 yards immediately. Using my favorite .177 pellets, JSB 10.34s the gun printed an 8 shot group that looked like a single blast from a 12 gauge shotgun using buck shot. I tried several other pellets, no go, same results. Must be dirty, yeah....must me dirty. Removed liner, cleaned thoroughly, re-installed with care, same results, possibly worse. Contacted seller and he said that was very weird, gun was shooting very well before. Seller offered to make things right and re-fund, but I decided to work with him and try to get the gun shooting straight. 

Right off the bat we tested the regulator and noticed it had major creepeage. So, a new Huma reg was ordered, installed, and tested. The gun started performing pretty darn well, and was shooting 1/4" groups with JSB Monsters at 30 yards with very consistent speeds. I told the seller I would keep the gun and he refunded for the cost of the Huma on the spot. After that I was even picking off sparrows at various distances with the utmost confidence.

Honeymoon was over the next time I take it out to shoot. POI is WAY off and throwing flyers all over the place. Added a plenum from 910 Airgun Tuning, the short one, but it was leaking after installation. A bit of Teflon allowed me to test it, and the gun is shooting great!....until it went back to it’s old self. Plenum removed, Reg pressure increased from 100 to 115. All of a sudden it’s shooting great again........until it reverts to a 12 Gauge Shotgun again.

Tear down again, made sure all measurements are in spec, got on phone with FX and got a tech on the phone to walk me through different issues. Everything checks out. I ask about the caliber in particular and was told “They are hit or miss” Obviously the gun is out of warranty and I’m out of luck. I polished the barrel, not clean mind you, polish! Mirror polish. Same story repeats, except now different pellets are single hole that previously were not grouping, until they don’t again.... 

10-11-20 Update. A little more tuning done yesterday as noted in the tuning section. Gun is showing a lot of promise this morning. Will try to show groups later, too much rain right now. Tried the CPHPs and for a minute or two they were pellet on pellet. Actually shooting way better than the JSB 10.34s, this gun just does not like them, period, and will not longer test with them as it's a waste of time. The Monsters still show to be the best ammo for this gun and are groping really well now. Will test further if/when rain lets up a little and try to post pictures etc. 

Posting pics at end of thread. I hope I have cracked this nut. Interestingly, with the regulator increased to 120, max speed with Monsters is 750, but shooting best at 700. Under 1/4” at 28 yards.

10-13-20: POI off again. Groups not as tight again. More tuning required. Took gun apart & will try again tomorrow. 

THE GOOD: General ergonomics and feel in hand. Good, well thought out cheek rest. Magazine, even though it could use at least 2 more rounds, this is my kind of magazine - not complicated, no putting first pellets backwards, etc. It's a hunting gun, I don't need a magazine with 73 shots. Relatively easy to work on with available videos from FX themselves on how to take apart and re-assemble. Trigger, I'm not a snob, so can't tell how it compares, but works well, no complaints. 

THE BAD: Finicky AF, Having to "index" the liner barrel. Pellet picky. The actual fact that it took an act of God to get it to shoot well, seriously, you pay well over $1000 for an airgun, it aught to shoot straight, period, no questions asked, no having to tune the thing so much. Hammer spring adjuster moves if you look at it wrong unless you use a bit of Loctite on it. Can't just hot swap the pressure gauge for an Wika if you have one on hand and need one. It will not fit properly due to height, you will have to purchase an proprietary FX gauge. 

THE UGLY: Unable to adjust hammer spring unless you remove the stock or mod the stock by drilling an access hole into it. Want to remove that pressure gauge? No problem, so long as you have a specialized tool, or make one yourself because a standard one off the shelf will not work. 

To be continued when I have a few more minutes....
 
I'm going to be along for the ride/story. My WC MKI .177 might be the most accurate airgun (within it's parameters) I've owned even with the original reg and no adjustments other than the hammer spring. That said, I went though 4 before finding one that shot to my standards and the one I kept was a clear winner even after the (then) new barrels and the MKII were available. I think I got lucky but it wasn't cheap with reselling the others. My focus was and is FT distances. And it does that job very well. I have a PP to install but just have not seen a good reason to yet.
 
I have heard of other really good shooting MK1s with the original ST barrels. I will continue the story above, but I have been through the. gun with a fine tooth comb and it's my conclusion that it's the barrel. Very finicky! Cheap, it has not been. I don't know if I will keep it or not. It will be with me for a bit longer as far as I can imagine it. 
 
Not helpful, but I have W.cats 1 and 3 gen. (not the 2. Gen though), and they are both shooting very well. 
And I mean very well in comparison to my other high end PCP’s in various brands. 

You have all reasons to expect good results from your wc Intenseaty, and I think most owners would state the same. Hopefully it will turn out to the best. 


 
Of the 4, 2 others were mkI's and the 3rd was an mkII. All used. Shot like crap. I still don't know why but I tried the 4th and that's the one I brag about. Had the same experience with early Impacts. The early .177 barrels just didn't shoot unless you got lucky. Again. I'm I'm maxing at 19 FPE for FT use but it's been fantastic. The one I kept was a 'new old stock' MKI but that is meaningless because I highly doubt the vendor changed anything, just wanted the old stock gone.
 
Not helpful, but I have W.cats 1 and 3 gen. (not the 2. Gen though), and they are both shooting very well. 
And I mean very well in comparison to my other high end PCP’s in various brands. 

You have all reasons to expect good results from your wc Intenseaty, and I think most owners would state the same. Hopefully it will turn out to the best. 


Good to see you around Gunner. What caliber are yours?
 
I have several in 177 MK1 and MK2 I guess I was lucky and only needed to replace one barrel and 2 HUMAs due to unacceptable accuracy. BTW- the 177s seem to like to shoot faster than normal for accuracy. I would put a FWB or Steyr 177 barrel next time around maybe even a CZ. 

You may want to try the Air Arms heavy version 10.3gr as-is before worrying too much BTW...
 
Yeah, I noticed that it likes speed. But even then pretty pathetic. Specially when you have the likes of Mr. Barry showing off his MK2 in .177 shooting fleas at 50 meters. Phenomenal accuracy even at UK legal sub 12fpe. 
*Have actually though about putting a regular barrel in there, but I wouldn’t have the first clue as how to go about it. If you have a machinist that can fit one let me know. 
 
I am a big fan of the Wildcat since I purchased my 'Cat mk1 .25 caliber ~3 years ago. However, I purchased a Wildcat .177 less than a year ago and the accuracy was so bad that I finally sent it back and received a refund (after the 2nd return).

I also have an Impact set up in .177 cal. The accuracy of this rifle is mediocre at best. Is it FX and the .177 caliber that is the problem?😨
 
Well, I will include it in the original post as I am still writing it. I have reached out to FX & was told & I quote “They have been hit or miss” (.177s that is) Quite the choice of words if you ask me. I’m still waiting on a reply back from @fx asking about the “superior” liner that is supposed be available in .177, crickets so far, even though I have been able to communicate with them without a problem previously.
 
I'd try the AA label. You never know...

Been there, done that.

Here’s current situation. 8 shots at 28 yards. Average 850fps, .177 JSB Monsters. 
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I am a big fan of the Wildcat since I purchased my 'Cat mk1 .25 caliber ~3 years ago. However, I purchased a Wildcat .177 less than a year ago and the accuracy was so bad that I finally sent it back and received a refund (after the 2nd return).

I also have an Impact set up in .177 cal. The accuracy of this rifle is mediocre at best. Is it FX and the .177 caliber that is the problem?😨

As far as I recall reading up on the forums from long ago, FX in .177cal with the smooth twist barrels were never considered to be among the most accurate if you were comparing them to Daystate, AA with the LW barrels. I was thinking maybe things would change with all the new barrel liners.
 
I am going through that now,different brand and type,but loooog hours spent on trying to get it to shoot right,I get determined,I try all the various quirks ,rifle will shoot so accurately then poop.....but I am determined,after days and days I need a break,I hate to put it away,but I have many other air guns that love me,in turn I love them,"Why can't we all just get along"?
 
I'd try the AA label. You never know...

Been there, done that.

Here’s current situation. 8 shots at 28 yards. Average 850fps, .177 JSB Monsters. 
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You may also try to make sure the barrel o-rings are all good with TP orientation is positioned perfectly and seated properly in the action and the 4mm isn't overly tight and the 3mm is tight. Try shooting without the shroud too if that helps diagnose things even better with more variables eliminated.

Last resort would be to bump up reg pressure. But you will need to adjust the hammer spring too.
 
Yup! Been there, done that. Shroud is permanently off and has an LDC attached straight to the barrel. Which 3mm? I have tried everything to think of, and then there’s that, Finicky! Make sure aiming towards Meca, when Jupiter is out, and the O-rings are in alignment with Saturn. Hold the gun tight, but ever so gently, blink 3 times......

Would shoot it bare, but it’s LOUD!!!! Really Loud!

*Oh, the reg started at 100, it’s now at 115 and the Monsters max out at 850, the 8.44s go out at 975 or 1050, something like that.