I'm Stepping Away from BullPups.

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I love the concept of the gun, great for packing and carrying on a single point sling.
I've owned, hunted, shot several pups in the past few years, and tested, shot, handled a few more.

I've come to the conclusion the the Pup isn't for me, reason why ?

.....scope height, the bullpup design just don't aloud you to get the scope as close to the bore as a rifle does, and in my type of hunting where shot distance is always an unknown and there's not much time to play with mildots the excessive height of the scope is detrimental.

In the end I can achieve the same degree of packability with a folding or detachable stock rifle, and a carbine is just as comfortable in a single point sling.

so in the future I'll concentrate on carbines with either a detachable or folding stock for tough hunts and the normal wood stock rifles for blind/hide hunts.


Guess my next project will be to make one of the said stocks for my MAX-ML .45 bull pup
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Bye bye BullPups !
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Agreed.
Bullpup design makes alot more sense in auto loading powder burners.

The only real positives in airguns is a longer barrel for the same overall length, giving you some more fpe, and a tactical look.
Paul

Edit : addition, (Paul wrote on a post June 17th).. " A 35″ carbine R10 is still a great idea! IMHO that bets any bullpup in terms of ergonomics, scope height, and looks (tactical is not a good look to be sporting in public woods".
 
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Disagree to a certain point. Yes, at very short distances and in a stressed situation a high scope mount may cause problems, but there is a Zero-one-and-Zero-two aspect regardless the mount high. The higher mount gives you a longer kill zone, let`s say it brings the first an second zero further out. This also gives you some advantages when it comes to long distance shooting.
But yes. When I look at your specialized hunting on pigs, the environments you hunt in, and that extremely well shot placement you need for a prudent kill on these robust animals, I know what you mean.
But for longer range shooting, and in a less stressed situation, I actually se the benefit in a higher scope mount.
But again. No exact science, just my opinion.
 
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Well Manny is all about power and killing bigger game.
For me I like powerful repeating and quiet .25's and .22's, which Manny wouldn't consider powerful.
To get that power and quietness in a rifle configuration like a FX 500, Cricket Carbine, etc. you end up near four feet and even the Daystate is Ranger well over 40 inches.
I also like to shoot from my truck and like shortish length there.
Bull pups do offer a lot of performance and features in a compact package.
Most bull pups come with reg standard.
In general I do find rifle configurations easier to shoot off hand, better ergonomics for getting behind a scope and usually have better triggers as there is no linkage to mess with.
Not a either or thing for me. Air rifles are like golf clubs in that you need a variety for different applications. A compact bullpup will always be one of my air rifles. Certainly don't see them as "FAD" nor need for everyone t think they re the only way to go.
 
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I think the Bullpup has it's place. For me it's small game. They are light and mobile and can take out most game up to and including coyotes and most of this game is within 50 yards. The scope issue hasn't been an issue with me and learning POI at different distances is something we manage with any gun. This is what I use it for. If I were hunting larger game, I'd be frolicking with a larger bore (.357). 
 
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Everyone has their "deal breakers", Manny. You don't see me shooting many springers. ;) I agree with Mike, re: getting some real-world experience before making any declarations. The bullpup platform is not right for everyone, and your experience (this post) will ultimately help future buyers understand the potential trade-offs vs traditional rifles.
 
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Manny, I am glad you made this post and not me!! LOL!! Seriously, with the current popularity of the bullpup, any comments against them is like telling someone they have an ugly wife. You have spent real world time with the platform and it doesn't work for you. No one can say you didn't try and no one knows what you need but you!!

I bought a cricket awhile back and found that though it was very accurate and carried well, I just could not warm up to the bullpup platform. I also don't care for AR's and airforce guns due solely to the scope height and cheek weld. For me it is all about feel and guns with high scopes don't feel right. For me its more about the stock. I have a Prod carbine that I really like, but the AR butt stock forced me to mount the scope high and I don't like the cheek weld no matter what I do but its better than the carbine stock it came with. I think the bullpups are great and I really wish I could have gotten used to the cricket, but what works for one doesn't work for another. Everything about a pup is appealing and they are a heck of a gun, but I need a traditional rifle stock to be comfortable.
 
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The impact or results of scope height on pellet trajectory really never clicked with me until running varying scope heights through Hawke's Chair Gun. Being new to PCP's and my first one an Evanix Max ML 22 with high scope rings, initially didn't understand why I could shoot through the same hole in the center at 20 yards but couldn't hit a ground squirrel that popped up 8 yards away from me. My scope height to barrel is 3" and shoots 2" low at 8 yards and about 1-1/2" high from 35-50 yards when zeroed at 20. I have figured out the proper holds over time but when a squirrel pops up out of no where, in the excitement, it would be much easier to just use the cross hairs. That is why I am lowering my scope as much as possible to at least bring everything in line to less than an inch in my normal shooting distances. Wanted to add that my future air rifles will be a different platform than a Bullpup to get the scope as close to the barrel as possible. Nothing against bullpups here either...just for me and my experience level, would prefer to just point and shoot.




 
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"ajshoots"Manny, I am glad you made this post and not me!! LOL!! Seriously, with the current popularity of the bullpup, any comments against them is like telling someone they have an ugly wife. You have spent real world time with the platform and it doesn't work for you. No one can say you didn't try and no one knows what you need but you!!

I bought a cricket awhile back and found that though it was very accurate and carried well, I just could not warm up to the bullpup platform. I also don't care for AR's and airforce guns due solely to the scope height and cheek weld. For me it is all about feel and guns with high scopes don't feel right. For me its more about the stock. I have a Prod carbine that I really like, but the AR butt stock forced me to mount the scope high and I don't like the cheek weld no matter what I do but its better than the carbine stock it came with. I think the bullpups are great and I really wish I could have gotten used to the cricket, but what works for one doesn't work for another. Everything about a pup is appealing and they are a heck of a gun, but I need a traditional rifle stock to be comfortable.
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LOL, I knew I was going to get some with this post :) :) ...even if I clearly stated It's strictly a personal decision because my type of hunting ( that in the end is significantly different than the vast majority )

Never was my intention to say that BullPups are bad, just that for me the rifle configuration is more conducive to my needs.

I've taken a dozen Hogs with BullPups and a bunch of different game over the years and they work, but ever since I made that folding stock Carbine I've seen the light :) :)







 
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I shoot a lot of traditional long range (long gun) firearms and it is true, there is a big difference between those and the bullpup design with the scope height relationship. However when it comes to air rifles, I am using them for pest control around my property and for me, the compact bullpup design is perfect.

To each their own! This is a good thread for exploring the pros and cons of bullpups. Fad or not (I don't think so), it should help others decide if it is really the right setup for them.
 
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