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wyshadow

wyshadow

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A few days ago I was at Wally world and I always stop by the sporting goods section. I always check to see if their is a good deal on targets. As I was looking through the pellets, there were two guys next to me looking at the break barrels. One guy says, "Look at this one shoots at 1200 feet per second." Then the other guy yells out, "This one is better. It shoots at 1400 feet per second." This got my attention because this reminded me when I tried to give my disco to my older brother. My brother shot both my hatsan break barrel and my disco but, even though I tried to convince him the disco was a better gun, he chose the hatsan because, in his words, "The break barrel is a stronger gun because it has a stronger recoil then the disco." I tried to tell him having a strong recoil is not a good thing. Whether it was a air rifle or a traditional rifle. Now back to the two guys at walmart. I turn to the guy who shouted out he found a 1400 feet per second rifle and said, "That pellet gun might not be accurate if it shots a pellet at 1400 fps. If it does shot a pellet at that speed, it doesn't matter because you couldn't shoot anything over ten yards." He turned to me and said, "I want to buy a strongest pellet gun and not one that only shoots 1200 fps." At that I left him with his purchase because I knew no matter what I tried to say, it wouldn't matter. When I first got in to air rifles, I did my home work and research it. When I find myself in predicament, I do my best to make sure I buy something worth my hard earn money. I just wish more people would do the same, and if they are, it's not with airguns.
 
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Because I to visit Wally World, I also go back in sporting goods for sales. I heard a salesman brag the speed issue and how far they can shoot and what he can hit....... like he knew something about air guns... I could tell by the way he talked he didn't....
I sat back and chuckled....Because I know the truth and even if I did say something , they would not listen....
This has happened enough times now, that I do not say a word...
I know many many many people that think I am not very smart because I spend so much on air guns and think they can go down to Walmart and get a break barrel for a little over 100 bucks and think think they can shoot the same as I do....

I like hearing stories of people like this getting the cheap gun and wonder why they can't hit anything at 50 yards....
 
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I've encountered a few of these people in Wally world and I think " well .... this is Wally world, not Gander mountain or Cabela's "
but sadly you will find them there too.
when I see someone trying to decide what air gun to get I always try to help but for some reason they look at the FPS and that is all they seem to care about.
My concern is that they buy a cheap gun for themselves or there kid and try to shoot and not be able to hit anything there aiming at, get discouraged, lose interest, put the gun away and never touch it again, not realizing how much fun there missing because they bought the wrong thing.
 
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FearnLoading1400 fps is way beyond the sound barrier
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That's what got my attention. I'm sure if big box gun manufacturing were to advertise their guns to shoot 2500 fps, they will sell thousands of them. It seems like their high fps claims are never reached even with light weight pba pellets. 2500 or 1400 fps. It makes no difference. It just to sell cheap air guns to uninformed people
 
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I actually changed someone's mind at Cabella's. He was looking at the Gamos and trying to decide between the one that shoots 1200fps and 1400fps. There was another model that claimed 1000fps that he wasn't even considering. I forget what the models were now. This was back before I even knew about PCPs and I was just searching for a pellet gun. I thought .177 was the only size available at the time. I'd just watched a video showing how the pellet goes out of control just around the 1100fps mark. The theory offered in the video I watched was that the sound barrier was being breached and it was creating a shock wave that was destabilizing the pellet. They were quick to point out this was only a theory and had nothing to support that claim, but they did have empirical evidence to show that up to 1100fps the gun was more accurate than it was beyond that speed. I shared the details of the video with the guy and he actually changed his mind.

edit: I think that I'd also just read this post:
http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/08/why-you-dont-want-to-break-the-sound-barrier/

 
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"wyshadow"A few days ago I was at Wally world and I always stop by the sporting goods section. I always check to see if their is a good deal on targets. As I was looking through the pellets, there were two guys next to me looking at the break barrels. One guy says, "Look at this one shoots at 1200 feet per second." Then the other guy yells out, "This one is better. It shoots at 1400 feet per second." This got my attention because this reminded me when I tried to give my disco to my older brother. My brother shot both my hatsan break barrel and my disco but, even though I tried to convince him the disco was a better gun, he chose the hatsan because, in his words, "The break barrel is a stronger gun because it has a stronger recoil then the disco." I tried to tell him having a strong recoil is not a good thing. Whether it was a air rifle or a traditional rifle. Now back to the two guys at walmart. I turn to the guy who shouted out he found a 1400 feet per second rifle and said, "That pellet gun might not be accurate if it shots a pellet at 1400 fps. If it does shot a pellet at that speed, it doesn't matter because you couldn't shoot anything over ten yards." He turned to me and said, "I want to buy a strongest pellet gun and not one that only shoots 1200 fps." At that I left him with his purchase because I knew no matter what I tried to say, it wouldn't matter. When I first got in to air rifles, I did my home work and research it. When I find myself in predicament, I do my best to make sure I buy something worth my hard earn money. I just wish more people would do the same, and if they are, it's not with airguns.
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Just goes to show you that you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.
 
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It is sad. I run an archery/Airgun range where I live. We have around 225 paid members. A year and a half ago I started holding FT matches and bring more interest to the airgun side of the club. We have plenty of Airgun shooters but in the beginning I spent a ton of time trying to help people that went to a big box store and bought an air rifle based off speed. What inaccurate piles of junk. One of the guys with a Gamo who shot at the range everyday asked me what was decent on a budget. I recommended the RWS34. A year later 12 guys have a RWS34, 3 guys have an HW98, 2 guys have an HW95. Life is much better now. People are shooting much better and I don't spend my time trying to sort out a junk rifle. There are still plenty of the box store rifles at the range but once they shoot one of the good rifles it doesn't take long before they show up with a RWS or HW. One rifle at a time. Pyramyd Air and AoA should pay me a commission. PA gave me a pile of catalogues so now I just sit down with people and circle decent rifles in their budget.
 
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