If You Use Paypal, You Should Read This

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" and I list it down a "Gold coin" purchase " 

Just as with the post office, fedex ... how will starting out with a lie help if you need to file a claim? Whatca doing "hording" huh? 



Buying, selling, TALK. Think. Calm down, remember it is only an airgun and there will be more if one "get's away". Be sure what you are doing and with whom. Airguns are for fun!



John Whiscombe only accepted one form of payment, it was not paypal. No one ever had any unresolved issues. NO worries.



John




 
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I just pay with my CC through PayPal "goods & services" and I list it down a "Gold coin" purchase. If anything happens I file a claim. Both with PayPal and my CC.
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Smart. I was going to suggest the same thing.

1. Check PayPal's policies on what is covered and what is not.

2. If you are actually buying something that is not covered, pay via "goods & services", and pretend that you are paying for a service and not an actual item. I never had to file a claim for none received "services", but your odds are better than arguing over an item that is not covered at all. 

3. Never ever use the same email you pay with, for correspondence. Lets say it comes hard to hard and the seller sends your email correspondence to PayPal, that might/could be used against you. However, if you go on and on about an item with a seller using a different email than the one you paid with, then there is no "evidence" that you guys even talked about what the seller claims you bought. As a matter of fact, I never use my real name, email address, address, pictures of me or anything like that. No, I am not born in 1984 either. : )

4. I am not a Lawyer so believe everything I said, ha ha.

That said. I would try a charge back with my credit card company. Might work.

Thanks,

Kmd



Disclaimer: Everything I said is a bunch of BS and is not true. ZERO. : )
 
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" and I list it down a "Gold coin" purchase " 

Just as with the post office, fedex ... how will starting out with a lie help if you need to file a claim? Whatca doing "hording" huh? 



Buying, selling, TALK. Think. Calm down, remember it is only an airgun and there will be more if one "get's away". Be sure what you are doing and with whom. Airguns are for fun!



John Whiscombe only accepted one form of payment, it was not paypal. No one ever had any unresolved issues. NO worries.



John



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Sure. Someone rips me off and I am going to play by the rules. Really? If you like to do so, go ahead. Good for you.
 
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I'm surprise no one posted a link to Paypal's policy page. In the US, an air rifle is not a firearm. If you can actually get a thinking human to respond, you may get them to reverse their position. 

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https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-faq585


We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition.

For example, using PayPal, you can’t buy or sell:

  • Any firearm, including rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they’re for sport and recreation, collectibles, or curio or relic firearms.
  • Firearm parts, including but not limited to receivers and frames, silencers, and kits designed to modify guns so that they fire automatically. High capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers are other items in this category.
  • Ammunition, including propellants like gunpowder or blank ammunition; ammunition or cartridge cases; and primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for any firearm.

Stun gun sales are allowed for U.S. residents, but only if the transaction is permitted by law in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdictions. (PayPal account holders outside the U.S. can’t buy or sell stun guns.) Before they complete a sale, U.S. sellers must make sure that the transaction is legal in both locations.

Related items that you can buy and sell using PayPal include paintball guns, blank guns, and air-soft guns, as long as such transactions are legal in the applicable jurisdiction. All of these items must display the markings required by law, must not be convertible to shoot a lethal projectile, and can’t include blank ammunition.



 
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I need to say this. DO NOT USE PAYPAL..

Do Not send money via paypal, do not accept money via paypal.

Paypal is a California owned and operated company with extreme anti-2nd Amendment views to include all non-toy firearms. If your item is NOT CLASSIFIED as a toy for under aged use, its a baby killing weapon of war and paypal will NOT defend your rights in any way. 

While this post is about a person who couldnt get their money back, I have read cases where Buyers figured out how to pull their money back (bank account or CC) and keep the item and Paypal would not help the seller. So the SELLER was out the item and the money.

Contacting Police is a joke due to "civil matter" responses by most PDs and small claims court filings have to be done in the DEFENDANTS area....

If you are buying or selling anything that even looks like a firearm... DO NOT USE PAYPAL.
 
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davidsng

I've never bought a used gun that was perfect. That is why I only pay less for them, less than what the going price is that is. I am always prepared to fix them. Now, with FX USA in NC you could just order parts. Give them a call.

Yeah exactly, probably less than 100$ in parts and 30 mins and it could be how the OP wants it. Want perfect? Buy new.
 
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" and I list it down a "Gold coin" purchase " 

Just as with the post office, fedex ... how will starting out with a lie help if you need to file a claim? Whatca doing "hording" huh? 



Buying, selling, TALK. Think. Calm down, remember it is only an airgun and there will be more if one "get's away". Be sure what you are doing and with whom. Airguns are for fun!



John Whiscombe only accepted one form of payment, it was not paypal. No one ever had any unresolved issues. NO worries.



John



LOL!
I rather fight a lie with a lie, then get ripped off for playing by the rules that only apply tome!
But if it works for your "Perfect World" Hey great for you!

I live in the real world and I'm smart enough not to get taken advantage of!


If you go into a battle that no one plays by the rules? Just you??? It's a safe bet that you will lose!


I was naive once! But ONLY once! Never again!



On a side note there are Gun Shops that use PayPal. (I'll won't say their names because I like paying with PayPal)

I do agree about trying to make sure you deal with good people when purchasing items. But you can never be 100% sure.

So do what it takes to protect yourself!

Remember to carry yourself with integrity! But also know what Arena you are playing in!



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Excellent news tonight guys! I just called paypal claim department and they were agreeing that this is a special case, the representative said that this is in the broad spectrum of whether this would be considered a lethal weapon. They recommended me email [email protected] to ask them if this would violate the terms and services. So tomorrow im going to have to write up something professional to convince them to cover it. If they reply positively, I'll let you guys know and paypal will then start protecting us). Same goes for negatively.... 



So now this will be my second appeal hahah!
 
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Reading the feedback section it appears there is a conflict regarding the shroud being original or modified. I'm certain there are WC .25 owners here that could help clear up the question if you posted some pictures.
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Based on the pics he posted of the Barrel/shroud end piece it appears to be almost identical to my WC .177. Of course the .25 has the back vents enlarged quite a bit from the .177 but the end piece he pictured looks "stock" according to my "stock" end piece.
 
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Says I won the appeaI

I basically said that this was a decision that would change the industry and a good way to generate more revenue for paypal. I said that these air rifles were meant as a hobby sport and not meant as a weapon to kill. And that many high-schools around the United States compete in air rifle competitions with these pcps(didn't tell them sub 12ftlb ofc). Told them that people could buy air rifles from their local walmart without any form of license or identification . Finally mentioned the fact that these very same pcps were being sold on ebay. 

The email/effort was a resounding success. One day after submission of the email I receive confirmation of the refund. Not sure if they caved in from it being a 2nd appeal or whether my email did it. 

Oh God I am so happy! Good things come to people who are patient and who don't rub into the other persons face when they won the appeal based on terms and conditions.

When I logged into paypal, It said this too, very strange. Will need to call them to double check.:

Upon further review of this case, we have granted the seller's appeal. The seller may contact you to request that you return the refund that was previously issue to you.



Maybe it's a glitch? 
 
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