If You Use Paypal, You Should Read This

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    FukoChan
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    Hey guys. I bought a airgun here on AGN recently (using goods and services) and had issues with it. I am not going to get in detail with what happened and just tell you guys what you need to know. The full story is in the feedback section.

    When I made a claim on paypal it said it violated their terms and services. Paypal does not protect firearms even if this airgun is not a firearm.

     

    so my airgun was not protected and I lost the claim. I wanted to start a discussion on if any of you had the same experience and what I can do. I have appealed the claim outcome and still was denied even a look at it. The representative I talked to for the appeal told me that he was familiar with airguns and that he added this on the claim file to make it clear that it was not a firearm. He even went as far to say I would probably win the appeal with the evidence I had. However, i still lost the appeal based on their policys.

     

    So I am warning you all that paypal will not or might not protect your used airgun purchases. You need to pound into their heads that you bought an airgun not a real gun during a dispute. Theoretically, someone could post a WTS: airgun post on a Airgunnation and ship you something entirely different and you would not get your money back. I will be doing more research and be calling them on this issue but wanted your suggestions on what to do. I have all the emails and pictures of this event if you have any questions.

    Probably better to just skip the fees and pay with friends and family to only trusted members. If this is not a freak case and is how it normally is then I highly recommend a warning to be stickied in the classified section.

    Interesting thing is I just checked the classified section and other hyperlinks on the forum and there is no sticky for forum rules or classifieds rules. 

    Thread finishes here: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/paypal-does-give-purchase-protection-on-air-guns/

     

     

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    Terryb00
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    Are we left with any buyer-protection alternatives to PayPal that anybody knows of?

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    intenseaty22
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    That really sucks, sorry. Thanks for sharing this thought. 

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    Oregun
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    Wow, wow, wow …  yes, thanks for informing us!

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    markT
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    A friend of mine told me quite a while back that PP was anti.. I cannot confirm this, however, I will not use them..

    IMO we should strongly, as a "community," stick together..

    Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

    FukChan I'm sorry you had issues… and lost money…

     

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    mmahoney
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    Is it just me or does the name "FastEddie" sound like a scammer?  I'd like to think I'd see it as a red flag but the guy has been on the forum awhile and has over 600 posts. His taunting via text was pretty tasteless. I hope PayPal gets you sorted out. I really appreciate the heads up.

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    Jabba954
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    I haven't used PayPal in nearly a decade because or their obscure policies on "weapons" – I paid for a compound bow, and listed "Compound bow", and got banned.

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    FukoChan
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    Oh I see so it's classified as a weapon? This is ridiculous. Kitchen Knives and baseball bats can be considered weapons yet I'm sure those items would be covered. I see wildcats and impacts being sold on ebay even when paypal and ebay were still partners. I'm sure those too were covered.

    :(

    I had a feeling they were antigun but anti airgun too?

    I still think I have a shot if I get a supervisor on the phone. Will give one final call tonight after dinner. I've spent over 10000$s through PayPal and I'm sure they've gotten their tasty share of fees. Hoping they make the right decisions in this case. 

    Thanks everyone for the support on the case. It really helps. 

     

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    Now that you mention it, yes the deal moved extremely fast. However i won't post any information on this thread due to making this thread too personal and having it taken down. Will leave everything on my other post.

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    spysir
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    Bummer your not having fun.

    Did you do your  " do diligence"  before buying?   Maybe a 3 day inspection agreement? ( used to be a standard just like Postal M/O's) . Perhaps moved a little fast? 

    ONLY AoA would know what they sold. It has happened that airguns get put together from parts, or raided for a needed warranty part then replaced with???  Could be it IS exactly as issued from the dealer ( and/or FX).  You would only know if AoA was asked, your personal feelings right or wrong do not change this.

     Dont know eddie, or you. 

     

     Back when the new generations favorite "pay pal" service started banning Airgun dealers I dropped them and told them why, wouldnt go back even if they changed.  Also I dont feel the need to fill in that Tax block just because of a hobby. 

     They offer NO protection to a seller. Buyer claims the box an airgun came in contained a 10lb brick, pay pal rules for the buyer ( happened to a well know long estab;lished dealer).

     

     LOT's of scam's out in the world these days. Lot's of really good deals also.

     

    This simply does NOT sound like a "ripoff".  A misunderstanding, certainly but that's all and how either party wishes to handle it is their decision.

     

     Paypal is no ones friend.

     

    John

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    willy
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    Paypals been like that for a long time.Friends and family.No -un stuff comeing or going""

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    jps2486
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    How does Paypal know what you are buying and selling?  It only transfers money.

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    hawkeye69
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    Reading the feedback section it appears there is a conflict regarding the shroud being original or modified.  I'm certain there are WC .25 owners here that could help clear up the question if you posted some pictures.

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    Jld1969
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    Thank you for sharing I use PayPal all the time and did not know this glade this was posted. 

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    rwsmike
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    My curiosity  got the best of me and i looked at feedback posts of this sale …is nightmare a gd word?

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    FukoChan
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    jps2486

    How does Paypal know what you are buying and selling?  It only transfers money.

    Good point, it doesn't.  

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    Brian10956
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    It would be nice if perhaps one of the Air gun dealers could set up something where they could be a broker on the transaction. For example I have a rifle I want to sell if you want to buy it I ship it to the dealer who inspects it and ships it to you you pay the dealer he takes his cut and sends me the difference. It could be a flat fee or a % of selling price. 

    Another possibility is to ship it to a FFL in the area of the buyer who will get the cash from purchaser take his fee and send the difference to seller. I do this with powder burners which I only buy subject to my inspection.

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    Bullfrog
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    FukoChan

    jps2486

    How does Paypal know what you are buying and selling?  It only transfers money.

     

    Seems like that even if the parties kept it quiet, all a scammer would have to do is inform PayPal that the transaction was really for a "weapon," then the scammer could walk away.  

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    Kinetic45
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    Banks, credit card companies and insurance companys are all coming out with anti-gun policies since the Obama administration put pressure on them to not do business with 'questionable' companies like payday loan companies or gun dealers/ gun companies.  This has NOT changed since a different administration came in.  In fact, this has just accelerated since the school shootings.  They make no differentiation between an assault rifle (accually no such thing but that is another subject) and a pellet rifle.

    Eventually, we will have to establish a separate financial system for sporting/hunting goods and ANY projectile weapon, bow, powder burner or pneumatic; new or used

    I mean 'we the people' who shoot 'something' will have to start our own bank. ( I knew a group of people who did it for a specialized industry and it works).  Note that PayPal itself was started to facilitate money transfers so we will have to set up the same type of company for our interests.

    As per PayPal, data gathering is more pervasive than you realize and since ALL emails and transactions are read and individuals profiles created and tracked (just read an article in the Wall Street Journal {newspaper's worth every penny I pay for it!} that EVERY internet service provider and phone company for email is allowing your emails and texts to be machine read and classified by the app developers on PC and mobile communications as to what you 'are',   https://www.wsj.com/articles/techs-dirty-secret-the-app-developers-sifting-through-your-gmail-1530544442 )  they DO know who is getting money for what when they care to use the info they already have if you had a conversation with the seller about what you wanted to buy.

     

    FYI- even when you click don't track location… https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-wireless-carriers-get-permission-to-share-your-whereabouts-1531659600?mod=nwsrl_technology&cx_refModule=nwsrl

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    willy
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    Hi JPS,when you get burned" then they ask you whats up?and you say he sold me a junk airgun"" then the partys over"

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    toku58
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    I just pay with my CC through PayPal "goods & services"  and I list it down a "Gold coin" purchase. If anything happens I file a claim. Both with PayPal and my CC.

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