If you are not shooting x brand.

200 and 300 yds with my powder burner.

Half moa with bulk ammo.

Yep Creedmoor is awesome caliber and stays supersonic for really long distances but its travelling more than 3times faster and having bullet BC of 5x higher than what we were talking about. Ofc powderburners are capable of doing it but I was speaking about factory quarantee certain accuracy for example Tikka T3 promises sub moa 100m in here when using Lapua ammunition.

If you want to look close to 22slug similaritys you should look after 22LR 22short 25acp etc but you all realise asking sub moa accuracy and claming they could do it out to 200yds constantly everyone here realise it wont happen. Yet they shoot harder, longer and with bullet that holds higher BC than any of the 22cal airguns no matter who makes that gun. Closest factory gun to meet 22lr criteria using same bullet is Drummen Sinner but never heard that even Sinner would meet that kinda of constant accuracy. 

Yep Creedmoor is awesome caliber and stays supersonic for really long distances but its travelling more than 3times faster and having bullet BC of 5x higher than what we were talking about. Ofc powderburners are capable of doing it but I was speaking about factory quarantee certain accuracy for example Tikka T3 promises sub moa 100m in here when using Lapua ammunition.

If you want to look close to 22slug similaritys you should look after 22LR 22short 25acp etc but you all realise asking sub moa accuracy and claming they could do it out to 200yds constantly everyone here realise it wont happen. Yet they shoot harder, longer and with bullet that holds higher BC than any of the 22cal airguns no matter who makes that gun. Closest factory gun to meet 22lr criteria using same bullet is Drummen Sinner but never heard that even Sinner would meet that kinda of constant accuracy.

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Wow.....you're the one who brought it up. And you keep making claims that manufacturers and individuals are lying. I tell you what, my reputation on AGN speaks for itself.

It's no wonder Matt, the Air Hunters, 68Whiskey, etc. don't involve themselves in discussion. They just drop a video and move on.....because someone like you will question their integrity. They dont have time for that and neither do I.

Why you are being so hostile? Nope there is zero manufacturer claims towards accuracy. Actually dont know any that would quarantee anything in airgun world. I didnt say anything about you lying Im 100% sure your content is legit but your gun aint stock and you can expect that kind of accuracy out from that platform for sure. Is it sub MOA 200yds surely not. Do I keep saying its impossible to achieve sub Moa 200yd groups. No I dont as long as you only shoot 3shot groups. Let me explain my perspective. Most ppl that actually shoot consider less than 10shot groups as too small to actually get any proper data out from them. Can you get lucky with 3shots sure you can. Can you get lucky with 10shots yes you can but really alot less likely. Can you get lucky 3 x 10times defo not. When it actually comes of making such claims that your gun is something it needs to actually deliver that something each time you shoot as long as you do your part. Never seen anyone having such an airgun or 22lr not even out to 100yds. Hope this clears things out. Its cool Bob take a chillpill nothing personal. Just like I said its my perspective and you surely can have your own but dont try to take a right for opinion away from people thats called being dictator. But this surely aint leading on anything good so Il just let it be and like I said before peace and everything good to you sir. 

Is it sub MOA 200yds surely not.

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See. As long as you're only able to listen to yourself and no one else, you severely limit what you can learn.

Finally sub MOA or not?

I don’t know why you measure it with Moa. At 200 meters each Moa is 2 inches or 5 cm. Pigeons head diameter is about one cm. So chances to hit a pigeon’s head at 200 meters is: 0.75^2*3.14/(5/2)^2*3.14

Or ~9%
I think one Moa group at 200 meters is possible for experienced shooters but practically this accuracy is enough for plinking not hunting.

Well, I'm not trying to make headshots at that distance. I always go for body shots unless I'm shooting indoors.

MOA is still in use, especially in the USA. I can communicate in Mils though, as I have an understanding of both. Accuracy to within 1 moa at 200yds is plenty for pigeons, even to 300 and 400 yds.

Well, I'm not trying to make headshots at that distance. I always go for body shots unless I'm shooting indoors.

MOA is still in use, especially in the USA. I can communicate in Mils though, as I have an understanding of both. Accuracy to within 1 moa at 200yds is plenty for pigeons, even to 300 and 400 yds.

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The thing is one MOA at 25 yards is 1/4 inch but at 200 yards diameter increase to 2 inch. I had shoot a pigeon with .308 rim fire and it hit the ground from 20 meters high. When I saw that pigeon was still alive I couldn’t believe it. Most of it bones were broken, both legs intact with skin only, spinal turned to dust, wings cut in half and I could see other side through it’s belly. So I picked the knife out to cut the head off but bird didn’t stop hover, half of the body moved side to side until it had noting left to push the wing.

distance between heart and belly is less down 2 inches. Maybe next bird won't get enough luck and fly away wounded.